Referendum

[Mully]

I'd like to know where the fuck the mandate came from to have the referendum in the first place.

Didn't the Nats campaign on that in 2008? Because we'd been told there would be one earlier, and were lied to again?

If they did campaign on it - then there's the mandate.

And, Holy Shit, isn't Winston Peters the poster child for all that's wrong with MMP?

I love your logic though; "Where do they get off letting the population decided on something. Grr". You really need to calm down a bit.

[Jantar]

Fortunately thats on the list of things for the review committee to investigate, personally I think your idea is a good one

It would be better if they held that review before the referendum. That way we would have a fair base to vote on. As it stands should MMP get the nod we still won't know just what changes, if any, will be made.

I shall vote PV.

[geoffm]

If we want a proportional and fair voting system. the first thing is do as the Royal Commission recommended (and Doug Graham rejected) - get rid of the Maori seats. They are racist, and in effect a handful of Mari MPs run the country. A Maori seat vote is worth many times as much as a general vote in terms of influence or deciding who runs the show

[Ronin]

Didn't the Nats campaign on that in 2008? Because we'd been told there would be one earlier, and were lied to again?

If they did campaign on it - then there's the mandate.

Thats what I thought happened.

In my opinion, choosing one system over the other is like saying "we dislike that one the least", which to be honest is more or less how we elect our politicians.

FPP is an anachronism.
MMP = a system that the public simply don't understand and the snakes make the most of that.

I don't like any of the options to be honest but PV is the one I dislike the least. that or SM. Or BDSM.

[schrodingers cat]

First Past the Post.

Like slavery, it gets shit done.

[Gremlin]

We have 4.5 million people. There are cities with more people. We should have an NZ Council and a Lord Mayor, no parliament.

Of course, this has as much chance of happening as the number of MP's going down (We were all suckers thinking they would kick their mates off the gravy train).

Since these aren't options, SM for me.

[Swoop]

The people will be deluded into thinking that FPP is wonderful. They have absolutely no memory of the complete fuck-up that was.

If you sheeple want to go back to a two party political system, vote for FPP and have your views ignored by only 2 parties.
It was like a giant see-saw with National and Liarbour. Those were / will be your only viable options.

If you truly believe that there will be less seats in paliament, if you vote for FPP, you need to go and kill yourself now - before Darwin gets to you.

[rainman]

Just cos Kiwis are lazy fuckers when it comes to politics. Never been invaded by Huns and seen their babies impaled on spikes is the problem.

Apparently I can not bling you at present, but... word.

MMP allows me to vote for the financial policies of National in my electorate seat, but also vote Green to bolster their nation wide party vote and subsequently the number of seats they get to influence and effect the change that's needed to address the issues of tomorrow.

Why, do you have a head injury?

Sorry, I'm just struggling to see how anyone could see that National OR Labour have a handle on the issues of tomorrow, let alone the issues of today.

A Maori seat vote is worth many times as much as a general vote in terms of influence or deciding who runs the show

Perhaps so, but bear in mind for a very long time the colonists had total control and there was not much opportunity for the Maori voice to be heard. Reasonable to fix that, perhaps?

Like slavery, it gets shit done.

And smells about as good. Great moral compass you have there.

[Voltaire]

Can yo text your vote in as its too much effort to go to the polling station...

[NinjaNanna]

Why, do you have a head injury?

Sorry, I'm just struggling to see how anyone could see that National OR Labour have a handle on the issues of tomorrow, let alone the issues of today.

You mis-read me, my opinion is that the Greens have some conscience on what we will leave for our children. They may not have all the answers, but at least they are zealous about addressing them, which is more than can be said about National and Labour.

So whilst I like the Greens for their environmental stance, I wouldn't trust them with today's economy, hence National for issues of today, Green for the issues of tomorrow.

MMP allows me to strike a balance. Only proportional representation allows me to effect this world view.

[rainman]

You mis-read me

...hence National for issues of today

No, I think I got it. The bit in red is what I have issues with. But, each to their own.

[Pussy]

[schrodingers cat]

And smells about as good. Great moral compass you have there.

Can you spell irony?

Fuck it - just tell us all what to think.

Even better a dictatorship! You go first.

Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty.
Plato

[98tls]

Why not sack the current lot build a fucking great bridge across the ditch and change to "New Australia",better still have one end of it in the South Isle, end the Treaty bullshit once and for all by giving the Nth Isle to the Maori where they can govern themselves.

[rainman]

Can you spell irony?

Hard to tell, around here.