New Moto3 Honda

[cotswold]

they should make all the buckets four strokes to!

Is that because they are easier to ride?

[crazy man]

FASTER THAN A GP 2 STROKE I THINK NOT! Its 2% faster than an off the shelf Honda RS125 and if you break it down 20% less power than the works Aprilia RSA GP bike i.e. the lap records will be held by the Aprilia RSA for years to come. Pure race bikes have been traded for something that will translate into sales of road bikes

Shuhei Nakamoto “We have been testing at Motegi and Sugo and if you compare the lap time with a standard RS125, the percentage is 1.5 to two per cent faster with the Moto3 bike.

"This comparison is (not?) against an Aprilia works 125GP machine, so our machine is competitive with an RS kit-bike but not competitive with an Aprilia works bike.
Fifty horsepower will be a little difficult to achieve. With a single cylinder engine, to use higher revs the power is up but at the same time friction. But there is no need to run 16,000 rpm. I think 14,000rpm is a more reasonable level.
Horsepower will probably be around 45 or something like this. But with a super, super tune-up then fifty horsepower is achievable but at the same time engine life is short and the costs go up. Moto3 is for low cost racing and if the bikes can be competitive this is the best way.”

Frits Overmars Mer 29 Déc "350 cc extra was not enough to make a Honda-600 as fast as an Aprilia-250. So what can you expect from a Honda-250? Just a lot of noise...."
I think Frits is being kind, I wonder what Jan Thiel would have to say.

the stock rs 125 in the book says 43 hp this 250 says 47 stock so whats a works one going to be ? dont know .the four stroke will also have a lot more torque as well

[crazy man]

Is that because they are easier to ride?

sound better

[Buckets4Me]

the four stroke will also have a lot more talk as well

yep the hype is right up there

so twice the cc and add valves and a cam (more things to brake and fix)
hope they have to rebuild them half as often
the cost is going to be bigger with a 4 stroke as they have to replace more things
so how dose this reduce the cost ?????

[Gigglebutton]

They may end up with 15 gears like the 0ld 50cc Gp bikes to get the lap times down. They sound shit, bring back the two stroker's

[crazy man]

yep the hype is right up there

so twice the cc and add valves and a cam (more things to brake and fix)
hope they have to rebuild them half as often
the cost is going to be bigger with a 4 stroke as they have to replace more things
so how dose this reduce the cost ?????

if they came to new zealand l would have a detune kit made at around 30 hp promply go still very well and if its the same for everyone it will be good racing! the thing is there are guys racing rs125spending over 40k for engines spending over 100k on bikes back up stuff small trucks just to go racing in the 125 class!10 years ago you were lucky to spend 5k on a rs.. bet you this same sort of crap is happing in buckets now!

[Henk]

Four strokes in MotoGP and supporting classes have nothng to do with reliability or cost, it's all about politics and the amount of cash poured into four stroke development over the last decade or so by the major manufacturers.
All the cost saving rules that have been introduced are a band aid on a bad decision as far as I can see to try and bolster the flagging grid numbers caused by the expense of playing in this paddock.
I'm convinced that if things don't change superbikes will be the premier class in 5 years time based solely on the number of bikes and the quality of racing on offer, over the past few years I've probably enjoyed watching 125s and 250s more than MotoGP for the simple reason that when you can throw a blanket over the first five bikes it's much more entertaining than a procession and yes I'll admit there have been a couple of exceptions. Remember from the point of view of clowns like us it's about racing, from the perspective of the guys running and competeing in the sport it's about business and marketing opportunities.
I'd love to see GPs go back to a simple capacity restriction and do what you like outside of that but I know it's not going to happen.

[TZ350]

the thing is there are guys racing rs125spending over 40k for engines spending over 100k on bikes back up stuff small trucks just to go racing in the 125 class!10 years ago you were lucky to spend 5k on a rs.. bet you this same sort of crap is happing in buckets now!

Not sure about that, do you know of someone spending realy big money instead of their own effort on a Bucket? please tell.

It would be interesting to know where the money is being spent, a rod and piston kit, a rebore, secondhand set of RS slicks, maybe some dyno time, a shock maybe, a popup tent for the pits and an old van, usually shared with mates. Where is the big money, I haven't seen it.

One thing I am sure about though, is that there are a few people investing good time and skill (ac3-snow and Speedpro for instance) on developing some very interesting Buckets, mostly 2-strokers but there is one or two Fast Fours being put together too.

Buckets is still like old time small class GP racing where a few good ideas and a bit of elbow grease can take you a long way.

[crazy man]

Not sure about that, do you know of someone spending realy big money on a Bucket? please tell.

One thing I am sure about though, is that there are a few people investing time and skill (AC3-snow and Speedpro for instance) on developing some very interesting Buckets, mostly 2-strokers but there is one or two Fast Fours being put together too.

Buckets is still like old time small class GP racing where a few good ideas and a bit of elbow grease can take you a long way.

l sore a thread here once said some guys had spent 6 k on there bike! in my day a very pricey bike would have been 1k mosty 400-500 bucks

[cotswold]

sound better

Nothing sounds better than a full grid of grand prix 50's getting off the start line, but that could be me showing my age.
Did you hear that 4 cylinder 125 yamaha 2t at the pukie classic meet a couple of years back........................the only thing close that is not a 2t was the norton rotary race bike

[TZ350]

l sore a thread here once said some guys had spent 6 k on there bike!

Please post a link.

in my day a very pricey bike would have been 1k mosty 400-500 bucks

We paid $150-$350 on average for our bikes, pocket money on development and some elbow grease.

Your might be right though, as I guess, even pocket money adds up over a few years.

[crazy man]

Nothing sounds better than a full grid of grand prix 50's getting off the start line, but that could be me showing my age.
Did you hear that 4 cylinder 125 yamaha 2t at the pukie classic meet a couple of years back........................the only thing close that is not a 2t was the norton rotary race bike

did you here the mv's out there 5-7 years ago !!

[crazy man]

Please post a link.



We paid $150-$350 on average for our bikes, pocket money on development and some elbow grease.

Your might be right though, as I guess, even pocket money adds up over a few years.

l dont have the time to look it up its just what people were saying in here. to me bucket racing is all about doing the work yourself not paying somone to do it

[richban]

Nothing sounds better than a full grid of grand prix 50's getting off the start line, but that could be me showing my age.
Did you hear that 4 cylinder 125 yamaha 2t at the pukie classic meet a couple of years back........................the only thing close that is not a 2t was the norton rotary race bike

The Guzzi V8 was a nice noise. And The MV's always bring a smile. After you clear the blood out of your ears that is.

[TZ350]

to me bucket racing is all about doing the work yourself not paying somone to do it

I wholy aggree, and if you want to see a crew doing the work for themselves check the Team ESE thread, not a lot of obvious money being spent there. But I think the pocket money does add up over the years.

I don't know of anyone who is a true check book racer, but it could happen I suppose if Buckets gets any more popular.