New Moto3 Honda

[jasonu]

The chassis will make a great bucket racer in 15 years or so when they filter down as the older RS and TZ 125's have

[kel]

the stock rs 125 in the book says 43 hp this 250 says 47 stock so whats a works one going to be ? dont know .the four stroke will also have a lot more torque as well

The Aprilia RSA125 has been making 54hp for years. That 250 figure is ah just a little bit wrong, the KR1's made more than that in 88. edit; oh you mean the 4 stroke 250
Four stroke are are great for spread of power but they'll never be real race bikes only 2 strokes fall into this category end of story.

[kel]

It would be interesting to know where the money is being spent, a rod and piston kit, a rebore, secondhand set of RS slicks, maybe some dyno time, a shock maybe, a popup tent for the pits and an old van, usually shared with mates. Where is the big money, I haven't seen it.

Dont add it up my friend those little costs just keep mounting up, actually I should say dont let the wife add it up.

[gatch]

Nothing sounds better than a full grid of grand prix 50's getting off the start line, but that could be me showing my age.
Did you hear that 4 cylinder 125 yamaha 2t at the pukie classic meet a couple of years back........................the only thing close that is not a 2t was the norton rotary race bike

2010 classic festival.

That thing is crazy. 9 gears and all. Hugh Anderson giving it the berries.

[gav]

The Aprilia RSA125 has been making 54hp for years. That 250 figure is ah just a little bit wrong, the KR1's made more than that in 88.
Four stroke are are great for spread of power but they'll never be real race bikes only 2 strokes fall into this category end of story.

Real race bikes? Isnt GP racing just returning to its roots? You do know that GP racing started with four strokes, right? These pesky two strokes were just a flash in the pan, just another fad that was never gonna last, aye ...

[cotswold]

Dont add it up my friend those little costs just keep mounting up, actually I should say dont let the wife add it up.

Amen to that, if a build takes a year of so with the odd 100 bucks here and there it can soon eat up that 1st thousand bucks plus some people do not have ready access to machine shops and welders, yup been there and doing that. I should have thrown a Loncin in and just turned up.

[Buckets4Me]

l sore a thread here once said some guys had spent 6 k on there bike! in my day a very pricey bike would have been 1k mosty 400-500 bucks

2k now is about the benchmark for a bucket

if you think it's a bit steap try racing pushbikes you could easily splash out 10k+ for a starter

[jasonu]

l sore a thread here once said some guys had spent 6 k on there bike! in my day a very pricey bike would have been 1k mosty 400-500 bucks

A while ago I estimated the cost of hard parts and my labor to be 5-6K. But I was not paying myself. I am sure there are more than several other builders that would fall into the same catagory if you counted the hours spent at say $40 per hour.

[crazy man]

l think say you bought a rg 150 motor say 500 bucks had it sleaved to a 100 new inignition system piston and rod if you payed someone to do this work what do you think 1500 bucks? + 500 for motor 2k.. old rolling rs 125 with no motor 1000-1200? spear set of rims 500-600 bucks? some one to make a 2 stroke exhaust 400 bucks?
pay someone to put the engine in 500-700 ? if you want some new fairing 600 bucks. thats over 5k if you payed someone for a winning bike with a good rider what do you think. and still would only look like a 1500 bucket lol

[Bert]

l think say you bought a rg 150 motor say 500 bucks had it sleaved to a 100 new inignition system piston and rod if you payed someone to do this work what do you think 1500 bucks? + 500 for motor 2k.. old rolling rs 125 with no motor 1000-1200? spear set of rims 500-600 bucks? some one to make a 2 stroke exhaust 400 bucks?
pay someone to put the engine in 500-700 ? if you want some new fairing 600 bucks. thats over 5k if you payed someone for a winning bike with a good rider what do you think. and still would only look like a 1500 bucket lol

It is a little scary ($$) when you actually put it like that... But we have all had this conversation before.
But that is still at the extreme end of things; that hasn't been done yet (?).

Of course there are jobs that us ordinary people just can't do and the only way is to pay and/or beg; to realise a dream. and fortunately there are still engineers that are willing to actually attempt silly bucket ideas.

Racing is racing and everyone wants to go faster; at lease the rules aren't to prohibitive toward silly ideas and backyard engineering,

[jasonu]

at lease the rules aren't to prohibitive toward silly ideas and backyard engineering,

If they were Buckets would not exist.

[Buckets4Me]

l think say you bought a rg 150 motor say 500 bucks had it sleaved to a 100 new inignition system piston and rod if you payed someone to do this work what do you think 1500 bucks? + 500 for motor 2k.. old rolling rs 125 with no motor 1000-1200? spear set of rims 500-600 bucks? some one to make a 2 stroke exhaust 400 bucks?
pay someone to put the engine in 500-700 ? if you want some new fairing 600 bucks. thats over 5k if you payed someone for a winning bike with a good rider what do you think. and still would only look like a 1500 bucket lol

sounds like my bike

rs roller with spare wheels $750
spare engine out of tz's old racer $? but i did have to give hinm my old bike and engine $150

some second hand slicks $pinched from some young and upcoming gp125 racer's (more than one fell victim to my theft)

the leathers and hemit cost more than the bike

now all i need is that talented rider

you can build a good bike for peanuts (mine cost more than the $900 i show here ) but not much more

guess it has cost 3-4k over 8 years
where can you go racing for $500 a year ? tell me that

[bucketracer]

......... if you payed someone to do this work what do you think 1500 bucks?........ some one to make a 2 stroke exhaust 400 bucks?.........
pay someone to put the engine in 500-700?............

A lot of paying someone else to do stuff, how many bucket racer do you know who have spent that sort of money paying someone else to do their work for them? Can you name one or two? don't think so. Its more likely to be mates helping mates and cartons of bear.

[crazy man]

sounds like my bike

rs roller with spare wheels $750
spare engine out of tz's old racer $? but i did have to give hinm my old bike and engine $150

some second hand slicks $pinched from some young and upcoming gp125 racer's (more than one fell victim to my theft)

the leathers and hemit cost more than the bike

now all i need is that talented rider

you can build a good bike for peanuts (mine cost more than the $900 i show here ) but not much more

guess it has cost 3-4k over 8 years
where can you go racing for $500 a year ? tell me that

if you managed to pick things up 6-10 years ago rs stuff was cheap but not now unless you are at the right place at the right time

[Henk]

In order to keep costs down I'd like to suggest the following.

1. Engines sealed at the begining of the season, one rebuild allowed per year
2. Control tyres, golden boys are cheap. No slicks or wets and only one set of wheels per bike
3. A limit of 5 liters fuel per weekend or 2.5 liters per day for those who don't attend both days
4. A claiming rule where you have to accept $2500 for your bike if anyone offers it to you, since we've established that a bike can be easily built for less than that.
5. If you win two races on the trot you have to swap bikes with the guy that came last for the next meeting to discourage people modifying things too much

That should bring the costs down and increase numbers on the grid