New Moto3 Honda

[Buckets4Me]

unless you are at the right place at the right time

I only got the rs roller recently
and it took me a while of looking and trying to get the mrs to let me or look the other way

missed 3 bikes like that

1 was a going rs125 for $1300

[crazy man]

A lot of paying someone else to do stuff, how many bucket racer do you know who have spent that sort of money paying someone else to do their work for them? Can you name one or two? don't think so.

most people do as much as possable but if you payed the going rate to have that sort of stuff done thats what it would cost. my mate on his mx bike 12 years ago needed a new piston and fork seals for his bike 1300 later from the shop for a piss easy job

[crazy man]

I only got the rs roller recently
and it took me a while of looking and trying to get the mrs to let me or look the other way

missed 3 bikes like that

1 was a going rs125 for $1300

thats the thing lf you take your time and look you may find but if you jump in to it it will cost

[Buckets4Me]

thats the thing lf you take your time and look you may find but if you jump in to it it will cost

you have to have the money there and then

the best way to start is get and fxr shitter $500 -$1000 and start from that
then build up something els and sell the fxr (everyone wants one)

or if you want a 2 stroker strait off
get an old 250 4stroke bike and put the 2 smoker in it

so fzr tzr zxr cbr or nsr $500 ? and an engine $150 ? + tyres $100 so for around 1k you are up and running with a good bike

[speedpro]

In order to keep costs down I'd like to suggest the following.

1. Engines sealed at the begining of the season, one rebuild allowed per year
2. Control tyres, golden boys are cheap. No slicks or wets and only one set of wheels per bike
3. A limit of 5 liters fuel per weekend or 2.5 liters per day for those who don't attend both days
4. A claiming rule where you have to accept $2500 for your bike if anyone offers it to you, since we've established that a bike can be easily built for less than that.
5. If you win two races on the trot you have to swap bikes with the guy that came last for the next meeting to discourage people modifying things too much

That should bring the costs down and increase numbers on the grid

1 - yeah, OK with that
2 - the way i ride it won't make any differance
3 - 5 litres? I had 6+ in the bike at the start of the last race day I raced at and it ran out at the start of the 2nd race.
4 - Over the years I've spent about that getting things done on this engine, plus all the work I've done myself so that'll be a real prob for me.
5 - I can easily see myself getting a ride on some fast guys bike out of this.

[bucketracer]

Lets go the other way and imagine that you have a Gold Card and can spend rely big $$$$$$ on buying Bucket bits and development.

What would you get and would it be able to better TeeZee's home built engine.

[bucketracer]

In order to keep costs down I'd like to suggest the following.

1. Engines sealed at the begining of the season, one rebuild allowed per year
2. Control tyres, golden boys are cheap. No slicks or wets and only one set of wheels per bike
3. A limit of 5 liters fuel per weekend or 2.5 liters per day for those who don't attend both days
4. A claiming rule where you have to accept $2500 for your bike if anyone offers it to you, since we've established that a bike can be easily built for less than that.
5. If you win two races on the trot you have to swap bikes with the guy that came last for the next meeting to discourage people modifying things too much

Sounds like a formula class, so we should limit 125 2-Strokes to a 24mm carb equivalent, that will slow down the power race too.

[jasonu]

In order to keep costs down I'd like to suggest the following.



1. Engines sealed at the begining of the season, one rebuild allowed per year
2. Control tyres, golden boys are cheap. No slicks or wets and only one set of wheels per bike
3. A limit of 5 liters fuel per weekend or 2.5 liters per day for those who don't attend both days
4. A claiming rule where you have to accept $2500 for your bike if anyone offers it to you, since we've established that a bike can be easily built for less than that.
5. If you win two races on the trot you have to swap bikes with the guy that came last for the next meeting to discourage people modifying things too much

That should bring the costs down and increase numbers on the grid

Disclaimer. If the above post is a wind up then please disregard the following reply as I got sucked in.

1. What is considered a rebuild? New reeds, a new valve, a piston or ring, a leaky seal? So if you blow up at the first meeting of the year you are out for the next 12 months? Won't be many entries late in the season. Not even the heavily regulated 250 proddy class was limited in this way.
2. A set of tires for a bucket will last at least a season and 2nd hand perfectly useable tires don't cost much.
3. Fuel for a bucket is one of the minor costs. Say 10 liters per weekend (anyone use this much) is still only $25 or so.
4.Yes you can build a bike for under $2500 but is it anyone elses business what is spent? I did a lot of fabbing welding machining myself and a couple of mates did some stuff for me that I wasn't able to in trade for stuff they needed me to do so no cash involved. If you had to pay the going rate for these things $5k+ easy. Why should that 'free' work be subject to a claiming rule.
If you had to pay full price to duplicate No Mates bike big bucks would be involved. I doubt wether Speedpro would hapilly part with #6 for $2500
5. That is unrealistic.

[Henk]

Disclaimer. If the above post is a wind up then please disregard the following reply as I got sucked in.

That was easier than I thought.

[Buckets4Me]

4. A claiming rule where you have to accept $2500 for your bike if anyone offers it to you, since we've established that a bike can be easily built for less than that.

when did we establish that it was easy to build a bike for $2500

it take a lot of work and thought
to make 30h/p from a bucket

I'm sure if you supplied the parts and $2500 TZ would build you a gp125 engine

then you can fit it to the fxr you have

[Henk]

when did we establish that it was easy to build a bike for $2500

it take a lot of work and thought
to make 30h/p from a bucket

Dead right, but to run on kart tracks (with the possible exception of Kaitoke) horsepower doesn't count for as much as corner speed and rider ability. I know that probably doesn't hold for the top few but as far as I can see ponies haven't been the deciding factor. Last unfounded rumour I heard was that the Diprose machines make about 23, they aren't exactly getting lapped.

[jasonu]

the Diprose machines make about 23, they aren't exactly getting lapped.

Yes and I bet there has been more than $2500 spent on those bikes.
Having said that, Dave is a bit of a tight wad...

[kel]

Last unfounded rumour I heard was that the Diprose machines make about 23, they aren't exactly getting lapped.

24hp in a RS125 chassis weighing in at 70ish kg, think about how much power you would need in an FXR chassis to beat that (unless you're Tim Fraser), or, in line with what this thread has mophered into, how much you would need to spend to beat that!

Any ways this thread has gone massively off topic, anyone remember moto3?

[richban]

Any ways this thread has gone massively off topic, anyone remember moto3?

Who cares about moto3.

I want a class that pits 2 stroke against 4 stroke. A class that is consistently evolving. A class that the limits are pushed in engineering, chassis design and engine development. Oh wait I here F4 & F5 is like that. We get the best of both worlds. Ride what you like and race as hard as you want. It has something for everyone. The one thing I hate is when people fucken chop on about money. Who gives a shit as long as everyone is having a good time. We should be concentrating more on getting some more national events in the mix so we can test the hard work people put in on the track.

[jasonu]

Any ways this thread has gone massively off topic, anyone remember moto3?

Start your own thread if you want to change the subject.

BTW any progress with the TZR chassis?