Hyosung 250 Cup

[budda]

Yea,Or fancy aluminium Bridgestone dust caps Oooops!!!

$2 shop has an awesome range of these probably, they should be compulsory i'm thinking...[/QUOTE]

USED to have to run STEEL valve caps, but that rule has gone to God ..... those nice shiney Bridgestone ones ARE trick though - but only the FAST guys have got 'em ! Hmmmmmm, beginning to see a pattern here .......

[budda]

Rules have been read and re read thanks very much. My comments stand.

So where is the uncertainty re tyres ?

[RobGassit]

So where is the uncertainty re tyres ?

a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.
My main concern was with electronics, auto tuners etc. Cam timing and the removal of internal exhaust cats also spring to mind, not to mention disc brake removal.

[SWERVE]

I have a few q,s!
As i am wanting to purchase a 2011 fuel injected ninja for next season. I have spoken with Mike at kawasaki nz and he says that they will be applying for homologation for that model as 150 are allocated for nz. All good......
However this does raise the issue of.......
It has 2 cat converters....one in exhaust can (no probs will replaced with an aftermarket can)
The other is in the collector/mid pipe... will it be allowed to remove this and replace with same size straight pipe (as per other stock classes)
As with most bikes if you alter the exhaust and or remove cat it will need re-jetting/tuning for best running and to minimise engine probs. You can re-jet a carb bike so surely you should be able to re-tune a Fi bike. (dont think auto tune is nessesary) should be able to set it up on dyno and leave it.

now to the rules
Section 7 mods allowed
o) ignition (ecu icm ecm must remain and wiring loom must be standard) A power comm doesn,t alter the ignition just the fuel. but a yoshi box (piggyback) does and these are available.... i believe the european junior cup bike run these. So you can drastically alter ignition with a box which is probebly only accessable by a few but not alter the fuelling with a box available from you local bike shop.
Just looking for clarification.

Section 9.
c) fixed/welded brackets must remain....... so when the side stand bracket on your Hyosung or ninja has ground away after a few laps( providing it hasnt dug in and high-sided you first) do you have to weld it back or is it then ok........... but if you remove it (before it flips you) it is illegal.
I know what the answer to this probebly is but it could be a "grey" area.

d) breathers/overflows must discharge via existing outlet...... does this mean they must discharge FROM the original place or discharge INTO the standard receptical. Or both!
(ie) can you remove a plastic radiator overflow/expansion tank and run the existing tube into a regulation size catch tank (or red bull can!!) same any other overflows.
as i see no mention of the regulation spill container for fluids that is usually stated.

again just my q,s and observations.
having been involved in the streetsock crusade for a few years i really want this class to get it right from the start and benefit all (especially the young guys)
Surely as there are only a handful of models that will be eligible the powers that be with the nz importers can come up with some more precise rules based on what is realistically safe and practical and which will make it affordable but still a proper race class.
The only reason that i havent already purchased a 2011 model is that the cat/pc thing hasnt been verfied........... i want to promote the latest model (which i see as industry relevent) but will buy a 2010 carb model if that will allow race type mods.

I see that option as going backwards but who am i to say.......... just a "joe" who is prepared to spend $9000 on a bike to promote a new class

[Billy]

Rules have been read and re read thanks very much. My comments stand.

I think you'll find,Buddas elluding to the tyre rule,NO specialist wet weather tyres allowed,Dot approved or otherwise.

[matdaymon]

Whats the deal with spectating these events? Would be quite keen to ride down and watch the goings on at the Hampton and Puke rounds

[Billy]

I have a few q,s!
As i am wanting to purchase a 2011 fuel injected ninja for next season. I have spoken with Mike at kawasaki nz and he says that they will be applying for homologation for that model as 150 are allocated for nz. All good......
However this does raise the issue of.......
It has 2 cat converters....one in exhaust can (no probs will replaced with an aftermarket can)
The other is in the collector/mid pipe... will it be allowed to remove this and replace with same size straight pipe (as per other stock classes)
As with most bikes if you alter the exhaust and or remove cat it will need re-jetting/tuning for best running and to minimise engine probs. You can re-jet a carb bike so surely you should be able to re-tune a Fi bike. (dont think auto tune is nessesary) should be able to set it up on dyno and leave it.

now to the rules
Section 7 mods allowed
o) ignition (ecu icm ecm must remain and wiring loom must be standard) A power comm doesn,t alter the ignition just the fuel. but a yoshi box (piggyback) does and these are available.... i believe the european junior cup bike run these. So you can drastically alter ignition with a box which is probebly only accessable by a few but not alter the fuelling with a box available from you local bike shop.
Just looking for clarification.

Section 9.
c) fixed/welded brackets must remain....... so when the side stand bracket on your Hyosung or ninja has ground away after a few laps( providing it hasnt dug in and high-sided you first) do you have to weld it back or is it then ok........... but if you remove it (before it flips you) it is illegal.
I know what the answer to this probebly is but it could be a "grey" area.

d) breathers/overflows must discharge via existing outlet...... does this mean they must discharge FROM the original place or discharge INTO the standard receptical. Or both!
(ie) can you remove a plastic radiator overflow/expansion tank and run the existing tube into a regulation size catch tank (or red bull can!!) same any other overflows.
as i see no mention of the regulation spill container for fluids that is usually stated.

again just my q,s and observations.
having been involved in the streetsock crusade for a few years i really want this class to get it right from the start and benefit all (especially the young guys)
Surely as there are only a handful of models that will be eligible the powers that be with the nz importers can come up with some more precise rules based on what is realistically safe and practical and which will make it affordable but still a proper race class.
The only reason that i havent already purchased a 2011 model is that the cat/pc thing hasnt been verfied........... i want to promote the latest model (which i see as industry relevent) but will buy a 2010 carb model if that will allow race type mods.

I see that option as going backwards but who am i to say.......... just a "joe" who is prepared to spend $9000 on a bike to promote a new class

Thought the rule surrounding the sidestand bracket was crystal clear Merv,Must remain in its orignal position,Any burring caused by grinding on the ground can be cleaned up with a file and no more,That rule is in place for a specific reason,Fairness for all wanting to enter the class,IE Anybody entering the class that also uses their machine for daily transport can obviously not remove that bracket and believe it or not,Its an entry level class for newcomers young and old,FFS anybody reading this post that is planning to enter this class,Can you please print this post off and read it to yourself everyday cause Im getting pissed off with explaining the same dumb shit time and again to idiots that are just looking for the right answer so they can cheat with a clear conscience,The rules are on the MNZ website for everyone too read,Print them off if need be and make sure you understand them completely before modifying anything.If you got a problem contact the roadrace commission chairman through his email address as listed on the MNZ website.

Why youd think you were allowed to run a Yoshi box is beyond me,No where in the rules does it say theyre allowable,If its not mentioned in that section then you cant do it,Simple as that.

[budda]

I have a few q,s!
As i am wanting to purchase a 2011 fuel injected ninja for next season. I have spoken with Mike at kawasaki nz and he says that they will be applying for homologation for that model as 150 are allocated for nz. All good......
However this does raise the issue of.......
It has 2 cat converters....one in exhaust can (no probs will replaced with an aftermarket can)
The other is in the collector/mid pipe... will it be allowed to remove this and replace with same size straight pipe (as per other stock classes)
As with most bikes if you alter the exhaust and or remove cat it will need re-jetting/tuning for best running and to minimise engine probs. You can re-jet a carb bike so surely you should be able to re-tune a Fi bike. (dont think auto tune is nessesary) should be able to set it up on dyno and leave it.

now to the rules
Section 7 mods allowed
o) ignition (ecu icm ecm must remain and wiring loom must be standard) A power comm doesn,t alter the ignition just the fuel. but a yoshi box (piggyback) does and these are available.... i believe the european junior cup bike run these. So you can drastically alter ignition with a box which is probebly only accessable by a few but not alter the fuelling with a box available from you local bike shop.
Just looking for clarification.

Section 9.
c) fixed/welded brackets must remain....... so when the side stand bracket on your Hyosung or ninja has ground away after a few laps( providing it hasnt dug in and high-sided you first) do you have to weld it back or is it then ok........... but if you remove it (before it flips you) it is illegal.
I know what the answer to this probebly is but it could be a "grey" area.

d) breathers/overflows must discharge via existing outlet...... does this mean they must discharge FROM the original place or discharge INTO the standard receptical. Or both!
(ie) can you remove a plastic radiator overflow/expansion tank and run the existing tube into a regulation size catch tank (or red bull can!!) same any other overflows.
as i see no mention of the regulation spill container for fluids that is usually stated.

again just my q,s and observations.
having been involved in the streetsock crusade for a few years i really want this class to get it right from the start and benefit all (especially the young guys)
Surely as there are only a handful of models that will be eligible the powers that be with the nz importers can come up with some more precise rules based on what is realistically safe and practical and which will make it affordable but still a proper race class.
The only reason that i havent already purchased a 2011 model is that the cat/pc thing hasnt been verfied........... i want to promote the latest model (which i see as industry relevent) but will buy a 2010 carb model if that will allow race type mods.

I see that option as going backwards but who am i to say.......... just a "joe" who is prepared to spend $9000 on a bike to promote a new class

So in essence what you're REALLY saying is that you'll only go racing if the rules suit what you want to modify. The rules are clear enough for most thinking people Merv - Exhausts remain unmolested with the exception of a slip-on type muffler. The end.

All fixed brackets remain exactly that - where there is contact with the ground, the sharp edges must be removed for safety's sake - same as any OTHER part of the bike. NO cutting / grinding of brackets otherwise is permitted. Period.

The initial decision of the Commission was to ban Power Commanders - we are revisiting this. You can also buy full exhaust systems that increase power, and adjustable suspension, and race cams etc etc etc - cant do THOSE either.

Suggest you do what Seth did - take a standard bike, reshoe it, and ride the hell out of it - consistently.If you enjoy the ride as much as he does, well worth it ........

[RobGassit]

Good as gold. All sorted. I understand completely. No doubts what so ever. Crystal clear. It's all clearly stated in the rules. But I'm keeping the Phaarkin alloy valve caps!

[SWERVE]

Billy. I dont wanna cheat........ but dont wanna be beaten by people who do then dont get penalised cos no one can make sense or give clear answers to the rules.
As Mr gassit hinted on its the interpretation of the wording.
for example.
rules state you can modify ignition.......... but wiring loom must be standard...(intrepretation) that means you CAN add a box of tricks that modifies the ignition providing you dont have to alter the wiring............ and what say young Dan brings his junior cup bike back from europe with a box of tricks and a standard loom......... lets watch the shitfight thans ensues after that (it could happen)
This is not just a problem with prolite rules .... as i see it most of the rules in MNZ book are very open to interpretation...... i am used to seeing a rule book that ressembles "war & peace" the rules for production racing should if anything be more in depth than say superbike where its you can modify almost anything. So actaully less room for interpretation.(more room for innovation)

I actually write build & service manuals for industrial machinary as part of my job....... and i can tell you from experience that when you think you have covered all bases........ youve only just begun
Im not looking to pick holes or get into an argument over this but the old kiwi special of "she,ll be alright mate" is beginning to rear its head.
If it was.... take ya mirrors off and tape up the lights only class id be happy..... and im sure the current NZ champ would........ as he put the lights back on the winning bike and took his girlfriend to Akaroa last weekend.

This could be THE CLASS of the future.......... "she,ll be alright" will see it being a damp squid.

[SWERVE]

So in essence what you're REALLY saying is that you'll only go racing if the rules suit what you want to modify. The rules are clear enough for most thinking people Merv - Exhausts remain unmolested with the exception of a slip-on type muffler. The end.

All fixed brackets remain exactly that - where there is contact with the ground, the sharp edges must be removed for safety's sake - same as any OTHER part of the bike. NO cutting / grinding of brackets otherwise is permitted. Period.

The initial decision of the Commission was to ban Power Commanders - we are revisiting this. You can also buy full exhaust systems that increase power, and adjustable suspension, and race cams etc etc etc - cant do THOSE either.

Suggest you do what Seth did - take a standard bike, reshoe it, and ride the hell out of it - consistently.If you enjoy the ride as much as he does, well worth it ........

No mate.
I will only go racing with a new model bike if its allowed to run parity with the older model............. NO......... then i will buy the older model and go racing.
Do want any special rules or such just clarification and fair level playing field.

But then im from the Sth island so that means im an instant cheat anyway........ as how else could we southerners possibly think we could beat the northeners......... thats how it goes isnt it

[RobGassit]

No mate.
I will only go racing with a new model bike if its allowed to run parity with the older model............. NO......... then i will buy the older model and go racing.
Do want any special rules or such just clarification and fair level playing field.

But then im from the Sth island so that means im an instant cheat anyway........ as how else could we southerners possibly think we could beat the northeners......... thats how it goes isnt it

Jeez dude I hear you, but can you make a sentence out of the following words? horse,are, you ,dead, a, and flogging. Nobody will cheat and nobody will protest. You have my solemn word as a Northerner on it.

[SWERVE]

Jeez dude I hear you, but can you make a sentence out of the following words? horse,are, you ,dead, a, and flogging. Nobody will cheat and nobody will protest. You have my solemn word as a Northerner on it.

A sentence containing shite & uphill springs to mind. Coming from the UK taking the word of a northener is considered........risky..... no offence bud
Someone WILL cheat......... but no one will protest (just moan about it a lot) same old same old.
As there seems to be more poison aimed at the protester than the offender by the masses. Very unsporting to protest ol chap!!!!!!!!
Personally think it should be the governing body that orders an audit....... at random......not always waiting for a protest.

[RobGassit]

How about a Kawasaki Cup series run in conjunction with the Nationals?

[RobGassit]

First prize is a new 2011 Hyosung. Second prize is two 2011 Hyosungs and so on, all the way down to tenth position.