Hyosung 250 Cup

[SWERVE]

Ha... like you idea.
As the kawasaki/prolite thing seems to have hijacked the hyosung cup thread. And im on the boil lets carry on the thread.
Hyosung cup............great idea........big ups for the importers for getting involved and actually providing PRIZE MONEY.
In an ideal world some young rocket would stamp his authority in this series win some coin and go on the race at the pointy end of prolite at the nats and give those pesky ninja,s a bit of competition.
In the real world some already successful racer will probebly get given a bike..... go on to take most of the loot........ then go to the nats and race with the money won........but it wont be on a hyosung .... it wont be in prolite. Lets face it a few grand would help out many in the senior ranks.

The hyosung cup should have had an age limit ..there should be prize money and the top prize should have been a fully supported ride in the nats on a hyosung in prolite.
Rant over.......as you were

[jellywrestler]

can you make a sentence out of the following words? horse,are, you ,dead, a, and flogging.

I can try

Dear Abbey,
I'm into Beastiality, Necrophilia and Sadism. Do you think I'm flogging a dead horse?
Graeme

[prettybillie]

Hmmmm it's all getting very serious. I bought my 2 fiddy (thanks Billy) to have a bit of fun and learn to race a cheaper way. Looks like I might be selling mine as it's sounding less and less fun and more and more like a who's got the biggest cock competition which I'm clearly not qualified for

[RobGassit]

I can try

Dear Abbey,
I'm into Beastiality, Necrophilia and Sadism. Do you think I'm flogging a dead horse?
Graeme

Thats phaarkin funny and clever but say's more about your habits than anyone on here should know. Well played.

[budda]

No mate.
I will only go racing with a new model bike if its allowed to run parity with the older model............. NO......... then i will buy the older model and go racing.
Do want any special rules or such just clarification and fair level playing field.

But then im from the Sth island so that means im an instant cheat anyway........ as how else could we southerners possibly think we could beat the northeners......... thats how it goes isnt it

Mate, I only WORK in Pig Island - the Mainland has for YEARS produced talented, never say die riders, based on plain old fashioned hard work and inability to accept the "you cant do that 'cos you're not from here" attitude that some Clubs foster.

The StreetStock movement started up North, shrivelled and died through neglect - it was picked up and re-invigorated by a small number of dedicated people with the above attitude - all credit to them. This new Class is an attempt to provide a furthering of the momentum withOUT taking away from what clearly works - StreetStock 150's.

The ProLite 250 Class is designed to provide a stable platform for riders, young and old, to learn the craft without having a massive wallet, without having a Team of helpers and Advisors, without needing specialist Technical assistance and WITH the fun factor present and accounted for.

Clearly the Hyosung Cup has stirred up interest in this Class - FANTASTIC .......
There are a lot more than just the two Distributors products eligible - lets see who will walk the walk and Homologate theirs .......

[budda]

Good as gold. All sorted. I understand completely. No doubts what so ever. Crystal clear. It's all clearly stated in the rules. But I'm keeping the Phaarkin alloy valve caps!

You're welcome

[RobGassit]

Mate, I only WORK in Pig Island - the Mainland has for YEARS produced talented, never say die riders, based on plain old fashioned hard work and inability to accept the "you cant do that 'cos you're not from here" attitude that some Clubs foster.

The StreetStock movement started up North, shrivelled and died through neglect - it was picked up and re-invigorated by a small number of dedicated people with the above attitude - all credit to them. This new Class is an attempt to provide a furthering of the momentum withOUT taking away from what clearly works - StreetStock 150's.

The ProLite 250 Class is designed to provide a stable platform for riders, young and old, to learn the craft without having a massive wallet, without having a Team of helpers and Advisors, without needing specialist Technical assistance and WITH the fun factor present and accounted for.

Clearly the Hyosung Cup has stirred up interest in this Class - FANTASTIC .......
There are a lot more than just the two Distributors products eligible - lets see who will walk the walk and Homologate theirs .......

GN250 anyone? Anyone at all? Hello? Anyone?

[puddytat]

Vt250? Anyone....Hello?Helloooo.....yoohoo? Na. No one home.

[budda]

[QUOTE=RobGassit;1130082804]a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.
QUOTE]
The Heidenau is a specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre, and if the information I have is correct, also falls outside the rim fitment specs ..... that do the job ?

[RobGassit]

[QUOTE=budda;1130083067]

a, DOT marked road legal type treaded all weather fitment will be permitted.
b, No specialist rain/wet tyres allowed, even if DOT marked.

So where does that place a Heidenau Dot intermediate road legal tyre? Is it a DOT tyre, an intermediate, a specialist tyre, a wet? Pretty sure It means it is not allowed but perhaps it could be clarified.
QUOTE]
The Heidenau is a specialist Intermediate wet weather tyre, and if the information I have is correct, also falls outside the rim fitment specs ..... that do the job ?

Yes thanks.

[budda]

Billy. I dont wanna cheat........ but dont wanna be beaten by people who do then dont get penalised cos no one can make sense or give clear answers to the rules.
As Mr gassit hinted on its the interpretation of the wording.
for example.
rules state you can modify ignition.......... but wiring loom must be standard...(intrepretation) The rules ACTUALLY state the ignition must remain standard ............ and what say young Dan brings his junior cup bike back from europe with a box of tricks and a standard loom......... lets watch the shitfight thans ensues after that (it could happen)Never happen unless Kawasaki imports 50 of them and Homologates them as a standard roadbike - not likely methinksThis is not just a problem with prolite rules .... as i see it most of the rules in MNZ book are very open to interpretation...... i am used to seeing a rule book that ressembles "war & peace" the rules for production racing should if anything be more in depth than say superbike where its you can modify almost anything. So actaully less room for interpretation.(more room for innovation)

I actually write build & service manuals for industrial machinary as part of my job....... and i can tell you from experience that when you think you have covered all bases........ youve only just begun
Im not looking to pick holes or get into an argument over this but the old kiwi special of "she,ll be alright mate" is beginning to rear its head.
If it was.... take ya mirrors off and tape up the lights only class id be happy..... and im sure the current NZ champ would........ as he put the lights back on the winning bike and took his girlfriend to Akaroa last weekend. [I]Point proven Merv - the Champs winning bike was as the Green Man made it, sans lights, and it was "competitive"[/I]This could be THE CLASS of the future.......... "she,ll be alright" will see it being a damp squid.

lets get your bike on track, and prove me wrong - if you mean you cant be competitive and enjoy yourself on a standard, legal bike, maybe the time has come to consider PLanking or some other equally taxing passtime

[SWERVE]

Hmmmm it's all getting very serious. I bought my 2 fiddy (thanks Billy) to have a bit of fun and learn to race a cheaper way. Looks like I might be selling mine as it's sounding less and less fun and more and more like a who's got the biggest cock competition which I'm clearly not qualified for

Dont sell it............
The important people are those who enjoy riding whatever the class.
Ive been involved in building/maintaining motorsport machines for nearly 30 yrs..... my enjoyment comes from interpreting rules /regs.
My main aim is to bring on as many youngsters as i can manage to support over the next few years...... just want to aviod some of the mistakes made in the past....
Alas when you make any class a national championship or put up $10,000 you will bring out the "big cocks"
( i have seen rule books for one class that are almost as big as the MNZ handbook)
and still managed to find an odd "loophole"

[RobGassit]

I'm starting a rumor that Craig Shirriffs is planning to burgle the Hyosung Cup!

[SWERVE]

I'm starting a rumor that Craig Shirriffs is planning to burgle the Hyosung Cup!

And already doing a cover up!!!!!!!!! by stating its a rumour
Sorry Suzuki gonna ride the GT250 as ive got a full factory ride.....

Budda........ yes it does state that ignition is to remain standard. But when its in the allowed mods section and maybe not puncuated correctly (im not an english teacher)
it could be mis-interpreted. As preceeding items are allowed mods.
(sorry its my anal/think im at work/ writing a manual for dummies mode)

Would like to put Seth on a ninja 250 with touring screen..... oxford panniers... heated grips........ just to prove the point too........HEY there is no mention of panniers or heated grips in the rules (might have to comply with the screen..BUGGAR)
Sorry....... just yankin ya chain.........we are fighting for the same side i believe.

[Billy]

Billy. I dont wanna cheat........ but dont wanna be beaten by people who do then dont get penalised cos no one can make sense or give clear answers to the rules.
As Mr gassit hinted on its the interpretation of the wording.
for example.
rules state you can modify ignition.......... but wiring loom must be standard...(intrepretation) that means you CAN add a box of tricks that modifies the ignition providing you dont have to alter the wiring............ and what say young Dan brings his junior cup bike back from europe with a box of tricks and a standard loom......... lets watch the shitfight thans ensues after that (it could happen)
This is not just a problem with prolite rules .... as i see it most of the rules in MNZ book are very open to interpretation...... i am used to seeing a rule book that ressembles "war & peace" the rules for production racing should if anything be more in depth than say superbike where its you can modify almost anything. So actaully less room for interpretation.(more room for innovation)

I actually write build & service manuals for industrial machinary as part of my job....... and i can tell you from experience that when you think you have covered all bases........ youve only just begun
Im not looking to pick holes or get into an argument over this but the old kiwi special of "she,ll be alright mate" is beginning to rear its head.
If it was.... take ya mirrors off and tape up the lights only class id be happy..... and im sure the current NZ champ would........ as he put the lights back on the winning bike and took his girlfriend to Akaroa last weekend.

This could be THE CLASS of the future.......... "she,ll be alright" will see it being a damp squid.

Coupla things youve got wrong there mate,

Firstly you CANNOT modify the ignition,Dont know where you read that but it wasnt in the prolite 250 rules.

Secondly,This WILL,Not "could" be the class of the future.

Thats why I asked the questions earlier surrounding the supp regs for this series,Oh and I WILL protest ANYBODY I think is cheating no matter who they are or what flavour theyre riding,North or South Islander,Try me!!!

Leanne,Keep plugging away at it,You dont need to worry about anybody else but yourself,Give you a call tomorrow.