Hyosung 250 Cup

[SWERVE]

Scrutineering is concerned with safety not eligibility

SCRUTINEERING............... did i miss something (only had 2 glasses of merlot)
Thought that was a thing of the past (very 90,s)
All bikes these days are maintained to a standard beyond good.......... and racers are the most honest bunch on the planet.......... aren,t they
I remember the good ol days of a long line of bikes into the "scrutineering shed" (at least Levels still has the shed) at 7.00am (most younger racers wont know about this.........7.00am that is)
Frantic spannering and lockwiring ( some need a lesson on that too) and the "look of dispair from those who have to go back-fix it- rejoin the queue.

How it should be

[RobGassit]

SCRUTINEERING............... did i miss something (only had 2 glasses of merlot)
Thought that was a thing of the past (very 90,s)
All bikes these days are maintained to a standard beyond good.......... and racers are the most honest bunch on the planet.......... aren,t they
I remember the good ol days of a long line of bikes into the "scrutineering shed" (at least Levels still has the shed) at 7.00am (most younger racers wont know about this.........7.00am that is)
Frantic spannering and lockwiring ( some need a lesson on that too) and the "look of dispair from those who have to go back-fix it- rejoin the queue.

How it should be

In the old days,hehe, they used to find the odd loose axle nut or damaged tyre. Now days they just notice the bike is the colour blue and put a pretty red sticker on it. before it sails off down the main straight and cartwheels into the trees.

[White trash]

AMCC still scrutineer all competitors machines. And do a pretty good job of it too I might add.

[Billy]

AMCC still scrutineer all competitors machines. And do a pretty good job of it too I might add.

Yip,Agreed,Dont see how the rest of the clubs claim they dont have time

[SWERVE]

AMCC still scrutineer all competitors machines. And do a pretty good job of it too I might add.

+1 too them
This disclaimer thing that most use is a "crock of shite" typical "she,ll be al right" YEAH till it all goes seriously wrong...... but im aware the whole duty of care thing was raised at AGM.
Some of us have our own duty of care to ourselves and our riders......... but some .... i cant even begin!!!!!!!!!
With no scrutineering people turn up 5 mins before briefing (if they even make briefing) another of my "bones of contention" and unload and on track 1/2 hr later. They aren,t even fully awake let alone the state of the machines.
But how can an example be set when one of the worst offenders for dis-organisation/lateness is the man at the TOP...........
Probebly why same reason why some people get questions answered......... rest get sarcasam and re-buff.......... not the right person asking the question i guess.

[LMFAO]

Scrutineering is ridiculous. AMCC dont get started till lunch cause of it. They check your wheels are done up then I go change the tyres on the bike before its riden. Should i get it re checked? I wouldnt let the bike go out unsafe. Just do spot checks.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Scrutineering is ridiculous. AMCC dont get started till lunch cause of it. They check your wheels are done up then I go change the tyres on the bike before its riden. Should i get it re checked? I wouldnt let the bike go out unsafe. Just do spot checks.

What a load of rubbish!

When was the last time you entered an AMCC event?

If you think all that is checked is a wheel nut then its about time you sat on the other side of the fence. 16th October be there (HD) with a pair of gloves and be prepared for what you may see. You will be surprised at what some are happy to pull up next to you on the grid with a big grin on their face.

[Grumph]

Gone a bit off topic here but Oysterman may chip in...
Scrutineering is a personal worry of mine. years ago we realised that on day one of a Nat meeting is not the right time to scrut. As bikes get to dummy grid is really the only safe time. The yanks used to do this - don't know if they still do. easy enough to have two ramps going side by side and call bikes up early enough to do it.
But since those days tyre warmers have come in.....and the moans if organisers hold people while tyres cool have to be heard to be believed.

There's no easy answer - those clubs which use the declaration scheme really should "audit" more bikes - but manpower is always a problem.....

BTW - I think I'm probably the only scrutineer in the world to have rejected a Britten......

[Kickaha]

+1 too them
This disclaimer thing that most use is a "crock of shite" typical "she,ll be al right" YEAH till it all goes seriously wrong...... but im aware the whole duty of care thing was raised at AGM.
Some of us have our own duty of care to ourselves and our riders......... but some .... i cant even begin!!!!!!!!!

When you sign that disclaimer you are stating your bike and gear comply with all the relevant regulations

If it is found you aren't then there should be a penalty applied

[White trash]

Yip,Agreed,Dont see how the rest of the clubs claim they dont have time

+1 too them
This disclaimer thing that most use is a "crock of shite" typical "she,ll be al right" YEAH till it all goes seriously wrong...... but im aware the whole duty of care thing was raised at AGM.
Some of us have our own duty of care to ourselves and our riders......... but some .... i cant even begin!!!!!!!!!
With no scrutineering people turn up 5 mins before briefing (if they even make briefing) another of my "bones of contention" and unload and on track 1/2 hr later. They aren,t even fully awake let alone the state of the machines.
But how can an example be set when one of the worst offenders for dis-organisation/lateness is the man at the TOP...........
Probebly why same reason why some people get questions answered......... rest get sarcasam and re-buff.......... not the right person asking the question i guess.

Scrutineering is ridiculous. AMCC dont get started till lunch cause of it. They check your wheels are done up then I go change the tyres on the bike before its riden. Should i get it re checked? I wouldnt let the bike go out unsafe. Just do spot checks.

What a load of rubbish!

When was the last time you entered an AMCC event?

If you think all that is checked is a wheel nut then its about time you sat on the other side of the fence. 16th October be there (HD) with a pair of gloves and be prepared for what you may see. You will be surprised at what some are happy to pull up next to you on the grid with a big grin on their face.

The number of competitors doing "The walk of shame" from the scrutineering tent each event indicates that it's still a VERY worthwhile part of pre race checks. Let's say that when AMCC can run a full season, and not a single bike is sent back for non complaince, then it's time to agree that competitors are worthy of signing their own bikes meet the mark. Until then, keep checking.

[SWERVE]

When you sign that disclaimer you are stating your bike and gear comply with all the relevant regulations

If it is found you aren't then there should be a penalty applied

Thats a part solution........ better than current.
At last winter series at Levels they picked a class(s) to scrutineer each meeting.....mostly seemed to be clubmans & streetstock....again a part solution.
Even proper scrutinneering only OK,s the bike as it is presented at that time (as someone said they will then go and changes wheels etc) But a WOF only OK,s the car at time of presentaton and thereoretically for the next 6 months........ but in hindsight is void once you leave the station.
The only genuine advantage of people knowing their bikes with be thoroughly checked is that it will eventually become thier "mindset" when maintaining and make correct preperation the norm. (or at least thats the theory)
But going back to the ol days again.... scrutineers were properly trained people who knew right from wrong - could quote the rule book - and were capable of doing the stripdown in event of a protest.
Where did it all go wrong
Sorry this is off topic......... maybe a new thread for this.

[Billy]

The number of competitors doing "The walk of shame" from the scrutineering tent each event indicates that it's still a VERY worthwhile part of pre race checks. Let's say that when AMCC can run a full season, and not a single bike is sent back for non complaince, then it's time to agree that competitors are worthy of signing their own bikes meet the mark. Until then, keep checking.

Absolutely on the money Jimmy!!

What a load of rubbish!

When was the last time you entered an AMCC event?

If you think all that is checked is a wheel nut then its about time you sat on the other side of the fence. 16th October be there (HD) with a pair of gloves and be prepared for what you may see. You will be surprised at what some are happy to pull up next to you on the grid with a big grin on their face.

Yip,They certainly checked more than the wheel nut on my bike,Gave it a thorough check over,As it should be.

I definitely dont see any reason why they cant scrutineer at national meetings !!!

[Kickaha]

MCC used to have Friday scrutineering before nationals which was bloody good, I member thinking what a fucking pain it was doing it Saturday morning at Manfield

Although the first few times I went to Manfield (about 2000-2001)they didn't do any

[RobGassit]

Jeez! It just occurred to me that nobody is checking Sidecars for oil leaks anymore.

[Kickaha]

Jeez! It just occurred to me that nobody is checking Sidecars for oil leaks anymore.

Probably because they don't drop as much oil as the other classes