Hyosung 250 Cup

[TOTO]

I hope the Hyosung Cup has more entries than this dying thread.

i think its close to 30 already. 35 being the maximum

[LankyBastard]

Yep numbers are looking healthy, I just signed up today, gonna be good fun! So now out hunting for a suitable bike.......

[TOTO]

I hope the Hyosung Cup has more entries than this dying thread.

yea, the hyosung cup is going better than ever. Track day at Hamptons yesterday there was 12 hyosung riders out of about 45-50 people on the day. We all had loads of fun

Yep numbers are looking healthy, I just signed up today, gonna be good fun! So now out hunting for a suitable bike.......

Thats wicked Ash, it will be great to go ride with you on track. Bring it on

[jellywrestler]

Yep numbers are looking healthy, I just signed up today, gonna be good fun! So now out hunting for a suitable bike.......

get hold of billy on here...

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/Proposed_Rule_Changes.aspx#road

Appendix 1 rule 7N specifically

[TOTO]

cool, so no jets changing allowed for carb models. love it

[SWERVE]

cool, so no jets changing allowed for carb models. love it

No..... the rule already states you can alter jetting on carb models....... the Fi bit is an add on to accomodate newer models.
Which is great as our new 2011 ninja has just arrived in the showroom.

[imdying]

MicroSquirt inside the standard ECUs shell, job done.

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

cool, so no jets changing allowed for carb models. love it

No..... the rule already states you can alter jetting on carb models....... the Fi bit is an add on to accomodate newer models.
Which is great as our new 2011 ninja has just arrived in the showroom.

It means (if adopted) that those of you running power commanders for the Hyosung 250 Cup series can run the same bike in the Nationals..............Provided of course the rest of the bike meets the regs.

Its an example of, the question being asked and the correct channels being followed and due process being applied.
Its good to see MNZ listening to the people in the sport and acting.

[oyster]

To the Road Race commission chairman, Peter Ramage
Hi Peter


Pro Lite Power Commanders. Just what problem is being solved here? Do they blow up if they don't get one? Run dangerously?
Of course not. Is it purely a sales exercise to make sure people buy the latest brand new fuel injected ones? Who is pushing for this change? Is it the riders or the people selling the bikes? Seth Devereux put a slip on on his Kawasaki and didn't change any carb settings. The bike won an NZ title, it runs perfectly. Ditto my son's Pro Twin SV650 fuel injected.
What does the dyno show for a correctly jetted carb model Kawa / Hyosung versus the fuel injected versions? Are the fuel injected significantly down on power, thus requiring this rule to balance them competitively?
Summarizing, where is the evidence they need a Power Commander. As I see it all it does is push the cost up and renders the earlier (carb) models uncompetitive. The winners are the people selling new bikes, Power Commanders and dyno services, the losers the MNZ members looking for an economic entry level class


When were these proposed rule changes posted? It looks to me there is only 3 weeks for submissions, MNZ considerations, new rules and riders to make their decisions / prepare their bikes. That's absurdly too short a time frame.

Peter Jones MNZ lic no 1063

[budda]

To the Road Race commission chairman, Peter Ramage
Hi Peter


Pro Lite Power Commanders. Just what problem is being solved here? Do they blow up if they don't get one? Run dangerously?
Of course not. Is it purely a sales exercise to make sure people buy the latest brand new fuel injected ones? Who is pushing for this change? Is it the riders or the people selling the bikes? Seth Devereux put a slip on on his Kawasaki and didn't change any carb settings. The bike won an NZ title, it runs perfectly. Ditto my son's Pro Twin SV650 fuel injected.
What does the dyno show for a correctly jetted carb model Kawa / Hyosung versus the fuel injected versions? Are the fuel injected significantly down on power, thus requiring this rule to balance them competitively?
Summarizing, where is the evidence they need a Power Commander. As I see it all it does is push the cost up and renders the earlier (carb) models uncompetitive. The winners are the people selling new bikes, Power Commanders and dyno services, the losers the MNZ members looking for an economic entry level class


When were these proposed rule changes posted? It looks to me there is only 3 weeks for submissions, MNZ considerations, new rules and riders to make their decisions / prepare their bikes. That's absurdly too short a time frame.

Peter Jones MNZ lic no 1063

Pete - you've been around long enough to know the meaning of the word "MAY", surely ???????? Power Commanders are, in effect, an electronic jet . How is it fair to allow Carb'd models to fine tune their mixture, and not allow the same ability to pilots of injected models. To effectively restrict ProLite Competitors to old technology by not updating the rules to allow / encourage use of later model bikes is sheer folly, and would result in a sinking lid policy which would sign the death warrant of quite possibly the best new class in years

It has already been shown that a well set-up older model bike remains competitive with a well set-up late model machine, thus putting the emphasis on the RIDER, where it should be in this class ! We were both involved in the birthing process for this vital class Pete, lets agree that it holds great potential for the future of a Sport we BOTH hold dear, and support it accordingly, eh ?

Cheers
Buddha

[racefactory]

This class sounds good. No wallet racers or mod junkies allowed!

It will instead come down to pure balls and the result will be insane cornering and braking from all the guys riding the wheels off of the virtually identical bikes. People will be standing the bikes on their noses on the brakes and destroying their fairings on the corners- bring it on....

I don't see the problem with power commander on FI models if jetting is allowed on carb models, result should be exactly the same.

[oyster]

Buddha
Answer the question.
What power does a well jetted carb model make versus a fuel injected model without Power Commander?
Where was this racing (you refer to) where the old bikes showed competitiveness with the fuel injected ones? The only competitive racing I saw was the nats at Levels where the red fuel injected Hyosung was blindingly faster in a straight line that the latest Kawasaki and the older Hyosungs (both carb models) The red Hyosung had a power commander fitted (contravening the the rules) so I guess we didn't really find out if they were on an equal par if it were legal.
The level playing feild you ascribe to means equal competitiveness of the bikes.
If people are forced to buy the latest model and then spend a fortune on tuning and the devices to be competitive you are taking it the wrong direction for the members, the right direction for the new bike sellers.

I repeat: What's the RWHP for the older carb models versus the new fuel injected with Power Commander. I saw the difference on the track, now lets hear it from the dyno.

[racefactory]

I'd also like to see the difference in figures!

But I doubt there's any difference providing cams, head gasket and valves are the same for the tested bikes?

[RobGassit]

Buddha
Answer the question.
What power does a well jetted carb model make versus a fuel injected model without Power Commander?
Where was this racing (you refer to) where the old bikes showed competitiveness with the fuel injected ones? The only competitive racing I saw was the nats at Levels where the red fuel injected Hyosung was blindingly faster in a straight line that the latest Kawasaki and the older Hyosungs (both carb models) The red Hyosung had a power commander fitted (contravening the the rules) so I guess we didn't really find out if they were on an equal par if it were legal.
The level playing feild you ascribe to means equal competitiveness of the bikes.
If people are forced to buy the latest model and then spend a fortune on tuning and the devices to be competitive you are taking it the wrong direction for the members, the right direction for the new bike sellers.

I repeat: What's the RWHP for the older carb models versus the new fuel injected with Power Commander. I saw the difference on the track, now lets hear it from the dyno.

Not just a Power Commander.