The welfare state

[jrandom]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...et-to-work-mum

These news reports regarding details of the welfare proposals are ongoing; this is just an example.

How many of you know a single mum on the DPB?

Would she genuinely be prepared to work at a real job? A boring one? Like most people do?

I'm thinking of my ex-wife, here, who has a permanent horror of getting out of bed and going to work in the morning, and will be forced to substantially change her approach to life if any of these suggestions solidify as legislation.

Which I would approve of. It'd be nice if the child support I pay didn't just go straight to the Gubmint to cover her benefit. I gave up trying to convince her to get a job myself years ago.

There may be an unemployment crisis (depends what you call a crisis - the USA's in far worse shape at the moment), but it's not entirely divorced from the attitude of the workforce. I know I've been employed by a company previously and thereby allowed them to expand their business. Jobs are not static; The Economy (tm) and the workforce influence each other on a fundamental level. The creation of wealth is not a zero-sum game.

Keen workers make for a rich country. I say give the lower classes a kick up the arse.

Not keen on the idea of compulsory contraception, though. By all means restrict the handouts and let people go hungry if they're lazy or stupid, but the idea of forcing the poor not to breed makes my gun hand start twitching.

[racefactory]

Problem is you can't even get 'boring jobs' even if you wanted to. There are literally hundreds lining up, clawing for the shittiest of cafe assistants and the supermarkets are all not hiring now. You will need a 'pre Mcdonalds foundation degree' from tertiary institutions to get your 'career' started with the big M soon (20 grand student loan) as it's the only thing that continues to grow; except like a cancer in this case. It's easy to say that at the bludgers but it is really not that simple now. Just imagine if all those who have long ago stopped looking for work, off the unemployment sheet statistics, suddenly started looking. It would be total mayhem.

I approve of the contraception entirely. Last thing we want is unwanted babies raping the country for future generations to deal with. Most politics don't really help anything because there is only incentive to deal directly with current issues, but this is something that will truly benefit the country for the future.

[jrandom]

Problem is you can't even get 'boring jobs' even if you wanted to. There are literally hundreds lining up, clawing for the shittiest of cafe assistants and the supermarkets are all not hiring now.

I know that's the line spouted by lefty politicians and dole bludgers, but that simply hasn't been my experience.

Two and a half years ago I shut down Visual Studio for the last time, walked blinking into the sunshine, and decided to go on a sort of Razor's Edge quest for my working-class roots.

The only qualifications I've had to offer anyone since then are being reasonably fit and strong, not too lazy or stupid, and speaking English.

The longest period I've been unemployed for is three and a half days.

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That's a troll thread fail....

You should be very much ashamed of yourself - your previous work was much more praiseworthy:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...-of-yourselves

[jrandom]

That's a troll thread fail...

This isn't a troll, dude. Not trying to wind anyone up, just wondering what folks think on the question. I feel like I have some useful insight on it from the experiment I'm living at the moment.

[ajturbo]

Dam it.. i agree with ya....

your a cock in so many ways....

BUT i agree... the longest time that i have not had a job is 5 days.....(that is when i wanted a job that is)

There have been a few weeks where I couldn't be bothered working and
1 year on DPB... but even then I got a job....!!!!!!

I think that ALL people on DPB should be made to work OR made to do some sort of training around 12-18 months after birth...Hell, I'm not talking about a an 8 hr day, more like 4-12 hrs. a week then building up until the rugrat is 5 and starting school, then they could do at lest 4 hrs. work/training a day

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This isn't a troll, dude. Not trying to wind anyone up, just wondering what folks think on the question. I feel like I have some useful insight on it from the experiment I'm living at the moment.

You've been in and around this site for long enough to know that it's inhabitants are generally the kind of selfish, short sighted drones that have been duped by the prevailing neo conservative / neo liberal rhetoric

...that's why they all congregate here - to have their looney introjected drone programming confirmed and revalidated by other drones on a daily basis.

[jrandom]

that's why they all congregate here - to have their looney introjected drone programming confirmed

I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way...

[ynot slow]

Ok as someone whose been there done that,well paying child support while ex wife was on DPB.My child support enabled the 3 to go to Brisbane for a nice holiday(albeit ex was working),sure when she decided it was over(and I changed bank accounts)she went on benefit but still sort part time work.

I went from working to not for 9 months with cancer,went on sickness then invalids for that,then my boss said I could return when ready part time,so I was able for 26wks get paid by him and winz,although working for 15hour initially my rate from boss was $2hour after deductions(unlike what my case manager told me),but got me match fit so to speak,then another company grabbed me full time,as my old boss wanted doctors notes etc stating I wasn't a liability osh wise for full time work,although I did do an 8hr day when it suited him.Mostly when I did work it was for nothing as my benefit reduced,was ok if working say 5hrs only.

[nosebleed]

You've been in and around this site for long enough to know that it's inhabitants are generally the kind of selfish, short sighted drones that have been duped by the prevailing neo conservative / neo liberal rhetoric

...that's why they all congregate here - to have their looney introjected drone programming confirmed and revalidated by other drones on a daily basis.

Piss off. 9:45 on a bank holiday! use real words man, like Cunt and Fucktard, shit we can read and digest.

[marty]

if there's no jobs, how come my son and EVERY one of his mates who are at uni or working full time, have jobs of at least 30hrs week? 2 of his <20yr old flatmates have full time work - 1 in IT the other at the airport, and the other 3 (at uni) good solid 30hr part time work

[Mully]

I know that's the line spouted by lefty politicians and dole bludgers, but that simply hasn't been my experience.

Bingo. Plenty of shit, minimum wage rubbish jobs out there if you want them. You gotta do what you gotta do. Apart from a student allowance, I've never taken any form of State handout even working $7/hour jobs, trying to pay rent, etc.

For some reason, people have a sense of entitlement and refuse to consider a job that they believe is "beneath" - one of the reasons (IMHO) that we now have 2 and 3 generations of families that have never worked.

Compulsory contraception worries me, but as a rule, anything that Bradford doesn't like, I'm in favour of.

[SpankMe]

The only qualifications I've had to offer anyone since then are being reasonably fit and strong, not too lazy or stupid, and speaking English.

My missus doesn't speak English that well and she still managed to find herself a job, so no excuse for the lazy arsed dole bludgers then.

[FJRider]

For some reason, people have a sense of entitlement and refuse to consider a job that they believe is "beneath" - one of the reasons (IMHO) that we now have 2 and 3 generations of families that have never worked.

Threre are a few that literally wont get out of bed for a $13.00 an hour job ... and just stay on the benefit ...

[jrandom]

Threre are a few that literally wont get out of bed for a $13.00 an hour job ... and just stay on the benefit ...

You do a hell of a lot better working 40 hours a week at $13/hour than you do on the dole. About twice as much cash in the hand. In fact, assuming no debts, a single individual can live in comfort working full time on minimum wage.

I personally can't fathom how people manage to stay at home unemployed for more than a few days straight. My brain would asplode.

You'd pretty much have to rely on being continually stoned just to stay sane.