The welfare state

[98tls]

Why not? Party funding is already pretty transparent, just allocate a fair election budget and make 'em account for it. Easy.

No, fuck em,there full of "passionate" about this that and every other thing New Zealand so remove the funding let them put there hands in there own pockets and pay there own way in to politics,see how "passionate" they are then.I struggle to at the moment see any reason to vote for any one of them,walk the talk and get my vote.

[Ocean1]

No, fuck em,there full of "passionate" about this that and every other thing New Zealand so remove the funding let them put there hands in there own pockets and pay there own way in to politics,see how "passionate" they are then.I struggle to at the moment see any reason to vote for any one of them,walk the talk and get my vote.

By "fair" I meant enough to publish a one page budget.

Do you need to know anything else to decide?

[98tls]

By "fair" I meant enough to publish a one page budget.

Do you need to know anything else to decide?

Perfect.............

[Smifffy]

The US even defined NZ as a Plutocracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy) and we still get to vote.

I don't know about a Plutocracy, but we certainly have a Mickey Mouse system.

[mashman]

Why not? Party funding is already pretty transparent, just allocate a fair election budget and make 'em account for it. Easy.

I'd rather not waste money dragging politicians through the courts for breach of the rules (not broken or prosecutable, breach). It'd clog the system up. Who's going to hold them to account?

[Winston001]

So the corporates manage to donate large $$ to the major political parties in exchange for some dialogue and etc?
I actually wonder if the corporates really are getting more than an ordinary say in what goes on. Id say they would....

Strangely enough wealthy people often make donations to political parties simply because they can afford to. They don't want or need political favours, they do perfectly well by themselves. The reasons for donating vary from person to person: sometimes because they agree with a party's policies, and sometimes they just want to see balance in politics.

For example, Sir Robert Jones (an easy man to dislike) donated substantial money to Winston Peters. Why? Peters was never in a position to help Jones - but Jones likes an underdog.

Similarly billionaire Owen Glenn who lives in Monaco has made very large donations to Labour...and Winston Peters. He doesn't need these small time politicians, he simply donates because he is sympathetic to them.

In reality all NZ political parties struggle for money. They get sod-all.

[mashman]

I wonder what our jobless figures look like, because these show not enough jobs and too many people.

[oneofsix]

I don't know about a Plutocracy, but we certainly have a Mickey Mouse system.

that's why i like Plutocracy. Pluto was Micky's dog so it is bot ha dog and micky mouse system

[Banditbandit]

I wonder what our jobless figures look like, because these show not enough jobs and too many people.

So the answer would then seem to be Less People ...

(I have a little list ... which grows daily )

[Brian d marge]

So the answer would then seem to be Less People ...

(I have a little list ... which grows daily )

Have a search for my "little list"on kb .... any there you havent got on your list ?

[mashman]

So the answer would then seem to be Less People ...

I'm sure that's on "someone" elses List

[scissorhands]

Sitting next to an ageing Maori bag lady in Macdonalds, 2 suitcases with wheels. Poor dear

No socks, enjoying her coffee. Her face shows autism, and she usually has a happy expression.

The wealthy looking couple sit side by side staring at the barista for a good 5 minutes while they wait. Staring, staring, waiting for their meal

I'm not sure which ones I would gas first......

[insane1]

this is going to piss a few off, if we got all the coconuts and maoris off welfare we woudnt be in the shit that we are now .if your to lazy to work no handout .

[mashman]

this is going to piss a few off, if we got all the coconuts and maoris off welfare we woudnt be in the shit that we are now .if your to lazy to work no handout .

At which point in time they will probably resort to crime to feed, clothe and entertain their families. So we throw them in jail... where they cost more than if they were on the dole?

Ahhh yes, we are bred to work... If you're not at school, then you should be working? What else is there?

[avgas]

Too true, too true - especially given your vague directionless rambling.

Meh wouldn't change Jack for me. Just nother politician really.

Last Polly with direction that didn't ramble was Hitler and look where that got him.

I prefer the concept of no government, lets see what happens in NZ. I mean statistically speaking very little will change. Its not like they have made many decisions in the last 100 or so.
Also women wouldn't have to protest to vote, because no one would be able to vote. So really I have just removed a revolution from history.

Treat the wound, not the cries.