VMCC 2012 POSITIVE Suggestion Box.

[Kickaha]

Like the spectator lunch ride idea

They did that at the last Castrol 6 hour that was run at Manfield (might have been on the Saturday) and it has also been done at the Sound of Thunder many years ago using a "pace" rider you weren't allowed to pass

We need to support F1 in every way possible.

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

[jellywrestler]

Won't be able to lift a flag either!!!

most of them are swimsuit fanatics, get them in all the colours of the flags and job done

[RobGassit]

They did that at the last Castrol 6 hour that was run at Manfield (might have been on the Saturday) and it has also been done at the Sound of Thunder many years ago using a "pace" rider you weren't allowed to pass

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

People want to watch them mate, me included. Coz they are faaaast!

[RobGassit]

Actually just last year I posted that.

So it was sorry. I mistook your join date for the post date. Hope we can get a bit of traction this time.

[slowpoke]

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

Because in the North Island F1 is shafted when it comes to track time creating a situation where good young riders are discouraged from entering F1. As a result the same guys have dominated superbikes in NZ for the past 10 years when every other country is churning out young champions and unleashing them on the world.

We don't have a single good young road racer regularly competing on the world stage. And it's been that way for how long? 10years? So we have no marquee rider(s) to help improve the miserably low profile of our sport. Success overseas means coverage for them, which translates into a higher profile for us, which means more coverage, more sponsors, more people wanting to join the sport yada yada.

Sure it's a long way down the track but unless we start we'll never get there.

You guys are actually in a different boat with MCC being a lil' more progressive. I think the results back up that they are doing something right, with healthy competition across the board. It's an interesting comparison with the North Island where F1 competition at club level is in a pretty sad state.

[SWERVE]

Here in Canterbury/Mcc we have all the same issues that you guys are talking about re: track time - classes - laps etc. Its nearly impossible to please all the riders al the time.
We run all 1000/600 classes together (we have 2 of each) and score them seperately.. its easy with transponders. F3/protwin/125 together - streetstock/buckets/prolite together. Motards get there own spot (due to the rules)
The pre-classes run together. Junior training have an allocated slot too.
We cant do much more to speed up proceedings from an organisational front. If all goes to plan we all get 1x practice /qual (15/20 mins) and 3x races (6 laps).
If we get hold ups race laps are generally reduced.
We are lucky in the months with more daylight as the curfew is pretty decent if we run overtime.
Riders pay a big part in making sure that meetings run smoothly and on time... we have gotten quite strict with call-up times etc due to this (they soon learn) the hard way! We try to run all meetings on a smilar basis to a national event.... this gets both staff & riders into the correct groove nice and early in the season.
We dont get hoards of F1 riders either.... most of senior class is 600,s and the big guns dont generally show untill KOR rd 2/3.
The secret of us having a bigger pool of younger riders is the junior development system and other clubs such as BEARS / CAMS also giving them track time.... some streetstock riders have filled up a log book with entries without leaving the Sth Is in a season.
Some of these young riders who have started in Streetstock are on the verge of jumpin up to F1 but it has taken a few years for the natural progession. Ryan Hampton is the exception as he just came straight into F1.
We are very lucky down here also that we have a number of clubs - 2 tracks reasonably close together - track hire fees are lower - club owns its transponders (hire is cheaper) and generally less rain.
So its simple......... wanna get more tracktime........ move to ChCH... houses are getting cheaper as the shaking contines..... plenty of jobs now!.
No seriously there is no easy/simple answer to this one.
BUGGAR house shaking again as i type (honest)

[roadracingoldfart]

And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

[Str8 Jacket]

And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier!

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

[yungatart]

That lunch break takes forever.

Why should marshalls need a lunch break anyway,its not as if they (or the other volunteers) actually DO anything, eh?

Two extra marshalls rotate round the track positions all day allowing marshalls to be fed, watered and drained,,ooeer.

You think? Its hard enough to get a full complement of marshalls for the long track anyway, where two more going to come from? Do I see you putting your hand up?

This should be done at a VMCC meeting. KB is not a part of VMCC, does not have a hotline to VMCC and is not run by VMCC. Get yourself voted on to the committee...then you can change things....

[RobGassit]

why should marshalls need a lunch break anyway,its not as if they (or the other volunteers) actually do anything, eh?



You think? Its hard enough to get a full complement of marshalls for the long track anyway, where two more going to come from? Do i see you putting your hand up?

This should be done at a vmcc meeting. Kb is not a part of vmcc, does not have a hotline to vmcc and is not run by vmcc. Get yourself voted on to the committee...then you can change things....

Go away with your negative attitude please.

[yungatart]

go away with your negative attitude please.

I don't actually have a negative attitude...and I won't be told what to do by you!

There is already a forum for this..it is the VMCC, not KB.
Get on the committee and actually do something positive!

I have contributed in a positive manner to Vic club for some 6 years. Apart from wank on on here, what have you done?

Go fuck yourself

[CHOPPA]

They did that at the last Castrol 6 hour that was run at Manfield (might have been on the Saturday) and it has also been done at the Sound of Thunder many years ago using a "pace" rider you weren't allowed to pass

Why? don't give me that premier class bullshit either

You cant be serious? Who would you consider to be premier? Sidecars??

Because in the North Island F1 is shafted when it comes to track time creating a situation where good young riders are discouraged from entering F1. As a result the same guys have dominated superbikes in NZ for the past 10 years when every other country is churning out young champions and unleashing them on the world.

We don't have a single good young road racer regularly competing on the world stage. And it's been that way for how long? 10years? So we have no marquee rider(s) to help improve the miserably low profile of our sport. Success overseas means coverage for them, which translates into a higher profile for us, which means more coverage, more sponsors, more people wanting to join the sport yada yada.

Sure it's a long way down the track but unless we start we'll never get there.

You guys are actually in a different boat with MCC being a lil' more progressive. I think the results back up that they are doing something right, with healthy competition across the board. It's an interesting comparison with the North Island where F1 competition at club level is in a pretty sad state.

Look at the names that turned up in 2009 because superbike got 5 races. Whats the point in supporting feeder classes when ya dont support classes for them to feed into.

Here in Canterbury/Mcc we have all the same issues that you guys are talking about re: track time - classes - laps etc. Its nearly impossible to please all the riders al the time.
We run all 1000/600 classes together (we have 2 of each) and score them seperately.. its easy with transponders. F3/protwin/125 together - streetstock/buckets/prolite together. Motards get there own spot (due to the rules)
The pre-classes run together. Junior training have an allocated slot too.
We cant do much more to speed up proceedings from an organisational front. If all goes to plan we all get 1x practice /qual (15/20 mins) and 3x races (6 laps).
If we get hold ups race laps are generally reduced.
We are lucky in the months with more daylight as the curfew is pretty decent if we run overtime.
Riders pay a big part in making sure that meetings run smoothly and on time... we have gotten quite strict with call-up times etc due to this (they soon learn) the hard way! We try to run all meetings on a smilar basis to a national event.... this gets both staff & riders into the correct groove nice and early in the season.
We dont get hoards of F1 riders either.... most of senior class is 600,s and the big guns dont generally show untill KOR rd 2/3.
The secret of us having a bigger pool of younger riders is the junior development system and other clubs such as BEARS / CAMS also giving them track time.... some streetstock riders have filled up a log book with entries without leaving the Sth Is in a season.
Some of these young riders who have started in Streetstock are on the verge of jumpin up to F1 but it has taken a few years for the natural progession. Ryan Hampton is the exception as he just came straight into F1.
We are very lucky down here also that we have a number of clubs - 2 tracks reasonably close together - track hire fees are lower - club owns its transponders (hire is cheaper) and generally less rain.
So its simple......... wanna get more tracktime........ move to ChCH... houses are getting cheaper as the shaking contines..... plenty of jobs now!.
No seriously there is no easy/simple answer to this one.
BUGGAR house shaking again as i type (honest)

So you listen to the riders, great! I saw you at VMCC last year looking less then impressed, what were your feelings?

And if a good idea comes up here then how is the VMCC going to know about it ?. Is there a plan sorted to relay these suggestions or is it just random typing filling the interwebby again , again , again , again.....
VMCC does not and should not have to troll these forums looking for feedback when there is a format to present them to the club.
So whos in charge here ????


Paul.

You would be surprised how effective these forums are! I emailed several members of MNZ directly. Not a single reply in 2 months. Post on here and facebook and I had several emails within 24 hours

Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier!

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

How are we supposed to approach the club? I brought my issues up in person and I had solutions but not once was anyone interested in listening.

[RobGassit]

Funnily enough Paul I pointed this out to Rob via message on his profile page and recieved a very sarcastic comment back! I have Robgaggit on ignore now - life is much easier!

I have also been informed that he is Sarah Elliots partner - she is on the committee with us so I am unsure how Rob does not understand the format of approaching VMCC...... Though it seems it may be easier for him to keep his head in the sand.

My reply to you to your PM was:

(It's all good. You guy's can't operate in a vacuum. If we give the members a voice on here we just might learn something.)

How you possibly found this sarcastic is beyond me? I am now wondering why you are trying to derail any opportunity for Vic club members to discuss possible suggestions to help their own club.?

[Str8 Jacket]

How are we supposed to approach the club? I brought my issues up in person and I had solutions but not once was anyone interested in listening.

Attend the meetings - there was one last night.

Flick an email outlining what you have to say via the Vic Club website. Ask for it to be put on the agenda to be discussed and it will be. But really do try and come along to a meeting. Second Tues of every month. That will give you some insight and appreciationas to what the vic club actually do!

[RobGassit]

I don't actually have a negative attitude...and I won't be told what to do by you!

There is already a forum for this..it is the VMCC, not KB.
Get on the committee and actually do something positive!

I have contributed in a positive manner to Vic club for some 6 years. Apart from wank on on here, what have you done?

Go fuck yourself

Thankyou very much for your POSITIVE SUGGESTION!
However I respectfully decline to go phark myself.