VMCC 2012 POSITIVE Suggestion Box.

[suzuki21]

I just don't see the fact the bikes are faster and cost more money makes any class "The premier class"

Are you serious? Should bucket races be the premier class at motogp then?

[Billy]

You need to add $200 - alcohol for the crew

Not so mate,Your not on Choppa's crew and that figure was for a club day not a national round!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

They are

I know you secretly longed to race 883 Harleys mate...

[MSTRS:Me]

Maaaaate, if you're half decent running an F2 or big Postie and cross entering your running costs would be higher than some body punting a run of the mill GSXR1000 in F1 under the current system. And hardly any club racers enter the Nat's or have theoretically competitive bikes, so that's neither here nor there.

Where have you people been?! We've arrived at a point where virtually every other class gets some sort of carrot but F1 gets the stick. Now when some people are trying to simply even things up and remove the favouritism you reckon it's unfair? See above example: 25mins vs 50mins....it's not rocket science to figure out who the greedy buggers are and it isn't the F1 crew.

You brought up the entry fee: how the hell is the above example fair? How is it that Choppa can sit on the grid having paid full entry fee yet an F2 guy can sit on the same grid for a lousy $40? So no, we don't all pay the same entry fee, F1 gets royally rooted again.

Mate...you mistake me for someone who 'makes the rules' or even who sets the program.
I'm not.
I am a 'lowly' flag marshal. I'm there summer and winter so you racers can do your thing in relative safety.
This unique position of being near the coalface, but little more, for the last 6 years or so, means I feel slightly qualified to comment on generalities.
To be honest, I never thought of the cross-entering 'issue', but excepting that, what I said holds true.
I understand how rules can make some things sort of unfair. Having a modern, competitive F1 bike precludes you from any other class. It is your choice to ride such a weapon, though. Since the rules allow for cross-entering an F2 into F1, or a suitable Postie into F3 or F2 or F1, (or whatever other bike/class that fits within the rules) maybe riders for whom money isn't an issue, and who desire maximum track time, should consider one of these bikes?

[Billy]

50 min's [/B]track time, whereas Dion Sellers (F1) got about 25min's. Sound fair? And you don't think Hayden Fitzgerald or Rhys Holmes(sp) and Choppa would be encouraged to rock up if they had a decent competition to raise their game? And you don't think encouraging Glen Skachill or Jadan Hassan or Avalon Biddle (eventually) on to a superbike isn't going to eventually run on to the Nat's grid? Or more to the point not discourage them? Or even just more fast club level riders like BJ Cawthorn or Craig Frethey or Dion Sellers or Travis Moan or Tony Okeeffe on the grid wouldn't make for a better show for the spectators/sponsors? Short sighted in the extreme there mate.
Yip,F1 got 25 mins of tracktime,The same as Prolite 250/Streetstock,The entry level/feeder class for all classes!!!The one where Dan Mattam,Avalon Biddle,The Hoogie bros,Johnny Small,Eric Oliver Maxwell,Nick Cain,Jaden Hassan and many others got their first real taste of roadracing,Glen,Jaden and Avalon are always gonna be at National level cause theyve got the dedication and backing,Craig,Tony OK,BJ,Dion and company are only going to learn to go fast chasing the fast guys when they are operating at the max(Not during the winter on a cold track when theyre riding at 3/4 pace cause of the conditions)and theres NOTHING stopping them racing at National level now

The MCC guys are laughing because their F1 guys get about 40min's track time on the best track in the country. Versus 26min's on a much less technical track? I'd be laughing and rubbing my hands together too.

[COLOR="red"]Nope,Theyre laughing cause they give the extra tracktime to the entry level classes and its paying huge dividends and yet you think you know better and the extra time should go to the elite class[/COLOR

Stop pullin' peoples pud's Billy, you know as well as everyone else that the F1 guys are just tryin' to get something closer to equal track time. Fark, I can just see ya perched by the glow of ya PC, hand on gland, and cackling like an ol' chook as ya give the pot another stir! No F1 rider wants more track than anyone else, we'd just like the same or at least somewhere close to it.

Absolutely not,Youve already got as much tracktime as the most important class in the program,prolite/Streetstock,If anything,Id like to see the club combine F2 and F1 so they can promote those classes further as is done in the South Island.

[CHOPPA]

Absolutely not,Youve already got as much tracktime as the most important class in the program,prolite/Streetstock,If anything,Id like to see the club combine F2 and F1 so they can promote those classes further as is done in the South Island.

Seems like this thread maybe usefull after all. Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes

[Shaun]

Seems like this thread maybe usefull after all. Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes

I think this is deffinately the best way to re arrange this

[MSTRS:Me]

Seems like this thread maybe usefull after all. Everyone seems to be in agreement that f1 and f2 should be combined and scored seperate. This reduces the program by one race so that 4 sessions. Thats a lot of time to share amongst the classes

I think this is deffinately the best way to re arrange this

But... but... but... then those that are able to cross over from F2 to F1 will have their tracktime curtailed...imagine the howls.
While GW sits quietly in the corner on his ancient Fizzer...smirking to himself.

[Shaun]

But... but... but... then those that are able to cross over from F2 to F1 will have their tracktime curtailed...imagine the howls.
While GW sits quietly in the corner on his ancient Fizzer...smirking to himself.

NO F3 Bikes in the F2 class, simple, mix them in another group

[MSTRS:Me]

NO F3 Bikes in the F2 class, simple, mix them in another group

Why not just have one race with all classes included? Then those with small tanks can complain about those with big tanks...
:sarcasm smiley:

[Shaun]

Why not just have one race with all classes included? Then those with small tanks can complain about those with big tanks...
:sarcasm smiley:

And whinge about who has the cheapest NAPPIES to use

[MSTRS:Me]

There are nappies that will fit under a race suit? Well fuck me - you learn something new everyday.

[Ivan]

Havent read it all,

I have nto been to the track this season as I am no longer racing,

But I think f1 and f2 could be combined who cares if 600s miss out on cross entry, 2 seperate points for thous and 600s

as Shaun said then no F3 bikes cross entering is really 2 supersport classes needed as usally thats all f1 is supersport with a couple of thous

[Billy]

NO F3 Bikes in the F2 class, simple, mix them in another group

Or better still,First 35 grid positions for F1 and 2 any grid positions left to the fastest f3 machines

Loading up to go to Manfeild now,So get fucked everybody til Monday

[Shaun]

Or better still,First 35 grid positions for F1 and 2 any grid positions left to the fastest f3 machines

Loading up to go to Manfeild now,So get fucked everybody til Monday

"Now then" Billy, that is a bloody brilliant idea, many many positives to it

1) The fast riders on the F3 bikes get a shite load of healthy practise, ie, passing a lot of other riders on the slower ridden 600 an 1000Z

2) Makes for a very full qrid, whick is deffinately more marketable than 10 bikes

3) More excitement for commentator and spectators

4) More potentuall for the VIC Club to gain sponsors/marshalls ( Due to marketing) to help

5) Cause I'm really a HOMO and Love ya