VMCC 2012 POSITIVE Suggestion Box.

[White trash]

The van is a new Hiace and towing a trailer its a hugry POS!!! No shit $100+ to fill the tank its gone by the time you get to Manfeild

Look at the state of the trailer! Fucken rockstars........

[Foxzee]

Epic thread fail. You can smell the remains burning a mile away.

Rob gas it....take your user name to the true meaning!

[gixerracer]

Actually fair point, we dont deserve any more track time then others. I think everyone could get more racing if the classes were sorted so there was less classes that catered for cross entries. Combine F1 and F1. Give every class an extra 2 laps

The van is a new Hiace and towing a trailer its a hugry POS!!! No shit $100+ to fill the tank its gone by the time you get to Manfeild

Combine F1 and F1 that is brilliant why havent they done this before

[gixerracer]

F1 riders do seem to think they're superior. Doubt that'll ever change.

They are

[gixerracer]

and as a paying SPECTATOR did you get value for money....... and how much of the 5k did you spend at the sub standard food outlets

200 bhp suzuki = really means - $200 bhp (burgers,hot pies)

just yankin ya chain bud..........good show..........at the end

You could write the menu to my fav resturant

[Foxzee]

Combine F1 and F1 that is brilliant why havent they done this before

It's happened......some on the grid in time and some having playground time in pits!....can't say they weren't accom'd!

[Foxzee]

They are

There is a flipside and highside to everyone!

[slowpoke]

I'd have to disagree with this statement. I've followed the road race scene for many many years and for a long time it was the same old faces, with the imports adding to the mix and making it interesting.
It's only in the last two years that the Kiwi's have started to make in roads in my opinion in F1/Superbikes.
up until then aside from same old same old we had Shirriffs and Fitzgerald who were up there but not quite.
In the last two years Nick Cole, Sloan Frost, Ryan Hampton and James Smith have all shown their ability to poke there nose into the front of field with their own skills, not because someone else was having a bad day etc.
Shirriffs and Fitzgerald have also done this so I see it as anything but stagnant.
There's more to come from all of these guys too watch this space

I actually agree there is some light on the horizon with Chop, Jimmy and Nick providing a nice lil' injection in very recent times, hopefully it'll continue. But at the very pointy end it's the same ol' same ol' with Stroudy and Robbie a half step in front as they have been for the last....how long? I just don't think there's enough high level competition for the others to ever bridge the gap. Sorry, don't mean to be wet blanket and believe it or not I'm tryin' to be positive but just telling it like I see it.

Swerve and the crew at MCC have got it sorted and thats where the bulk of the up and coming talent is coming from,No question!!!

True dat!

The Vic club run a damned good club series with limited rescources and real helpers,I have never had an issue getting my point across to them either by email/Phone or in person,I cant say Ive always managed to achieve the right results imo,But they did listen and take onboard my ideas,The same can be said re MNZ,Maybe its about attitude and/or the way they are approached,Only they can answer that,But one thing I can tell you is I never recieved any positive feedback from either the Vic club or MNZ due to statements Ive made on this site!!

Looks like Choppa and I need to hire you as a media consultant Billy, 'cos after similar approaches I've got nowhere, hence I've raised the issue on here as a last resort. Maybe it's your "suit and tie" approach that's making the difference?

Giving the superbike class more tracktime at the expense of the other classes will do Nothing too improve the state of the class at National level,The guys at MCC are all rolling around the ground laughing at you.

At the expense of other classes? Jaysus Billy, wipe some of that 'glassing resin off the spec's mate. At round 1 Glen Skachill (F2) got about 50 min's track time, whereas Dion Sellers (F1) got about 25min's. Sound fair? And you don't think Hayden Fitzgerald or Rhys Holmes(sp) and Choppa would be encouraged to rock up if they had a decent competition to raise their game? And you don't think encouraging Glen Skachill or Jadan Hassan or Avalon Biddle (eventually) on to a superbike isn't going to eventually run on to the Nat's grid? Or more to the point not discourage them? Or even just more fast club level riders like BJ Cawthorn or Craig Frethey or Dion Sellers or Travis Moan or Tony Okeeffe on the grid wouldn't make for a better show for the spectators/sponsors? Short sighted in the extreme there mate.

The MCC guys are laughing because their F1 guys get about 40min's track time on the best track in the country. Versus 26min's on a much less technical track? I'd be laughing and rubbing my hands together too.

This is a very pertinent point too...
The costs in being on a competitive F1 bike are beyond most racers, so they are either forced to accept a non-competitive bike or to race in a 'lower' class (read as 'cheaper') OR they are simply not interested in riding a 300kph bike. They may be perfectly happy on their RG/KR 150.

Maaaaate, if you're half decent running an F2 or big Postie and cross entering your running costs would be higher than some body punting a run of the mill GSXR1000 in F1 under the current system. And hardly any club racers enter the Nat's or have theoretically competitive bikes, so that's neither here nor there.

Either way, why should these people be penalised tracktime just so the very few hungry F1 riders can have more? Don't they all pay the same entry fee?

Where have you people been?! We've arrived at a point where virtually every other class gets some sort of carrot but F1 gets the stick. Now when some people are trying to simply even things up and remove the favouritism you reckon it's unfair? See above example: 25mins vs 50mins....it's not rocket science to figure out who the greedy buggers are and it isn't the F1 crew.

You brought up the entry fee: how the hell is the above example fair? How is it that Choppa can sit on the grid having paid full entry fee yet an F2 guy can sit on the same grid for a lousy $40? So no, we don't all pay the same entry fee, F1 gets royally rooted again.

Don't mean to disagree with you all the time but what about little dan mettam??? He is, as we speak, in Europe about to compete at Aragon on the little 250's European class
Sure it isn't a superbike or 600 but he is only 15, and he got on a podium!!!

All good, Rach. I actually thought of young Mr Mettam (doing well too, isn't he!) but wasn't sure of the invitiational arrangements, hence put him in the "special case" basket. All the same it could definitely lead to bigger and better things (fingers and toes crossed) so you're absolutely right.

Who am I to resist someone who's so polite when they argue! (if only you could teach my missus the same trick....)

get the riders to send in a rap sheet with every entry maybe, now there is an idea to make things betterer

Great idea this one, should at least be mandatory at NZSBK events, if not club events.

What a load of crap.
What is the point. The point is getting all the best riders together with the best bikes and seeing who is the best just like any other National series. Ozzy only had 11 SBK bikes on the grid at there last round so is there series a waste of time 2??

We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season

Yup, and it's farkin' great to watch. Some of the things I've seen at NZSBK events are right up there on my "lifetime mental highlights reel", and beat the shit out of any racing I've seen on TV. Good value for the local clubbies too if they had a decent look at it. Shitloads of tracktime, with the best riders in the country, shame more don't have a crack at least at their local event. A local NZSBK event is much better value than any club event.

Absolutely,But that doesnt qualify him for more tracktime than the rest

Stop pullin' peoples pud's Billy, you know as well as everyone else that the F1 guys are just tryin' to get something closer to equal track time. Fark, I can just see ya perched by the glow of ya PC, hand on gland, and cackling like an ol' chook as ya give the pot another stir! No F1 rider wants more track than anyone else, we'd just like the same or at least somewhere close to it.

[slowpoke]

farkin' double postin' idjit

[SWERVE]

Combine F1 and F1 that is brilliant why havent they done this before

If you mean combine F1 & f2 ...thats what we do at MCC works well for us. And last season for KORrd 2/3 (i think) we increased laps for this class to 10. Giving the top guns a better idea of tyre wear/setup over more laps. As nats are 15laps.
Riders briefing was very clear......... you guys crash and hold things up - laps will be reduced.... they didn,t and it was a success.
However you do run the risk of the grid being to big in a combined class..... probebly in the later rounds........ then use a time cut off and drop them back into clubmans.
Make sure everybody knows thats the rules...... and you gotta play by them.

At MCC we dont time clubmans anymore....... it has no championship/trophy. This is to encourage the people who want to try out or happy to just get out there. And to make the competitive natured people move into a timed class.


Works for us.

[gixerracer]

If you mean combine F1 & f2 ...thats what we do at MCC works well for us. And last season for KORrd 2/3 (i think) we increased laps for this class to 10. Giving the top guns a better idea of tyre wear/setup over more laps. As nats are 15laps.
Riders briefing was very clear......... you guys crash and hold things up - laps will be reduced.... they didn,t and it was a success.
However you do run the risk of the grid being to big in a combined class..... probebly in the later rounds........ then use a time cut off and drop them back into clubmans.
Make sure everybody knows thats the rules...... and you gotta play by them.

At MCC we dont time clubmans anymore....... it has no championship/trophy. This is to encourage the people who want to try out or happy to just get out there. And to make the competitive natured people move into a timed class.


Works for us.

No I do beleive I ment what I said.
I was taking this piss Squire

[SWERVE]

No I do beleive I ment what I said.
I was taking this piss Squire

I know..........i meant to qote Choppa,s post.......... but not veey good at this computa thing..doh

[suzuki21]

What a load of crap.
What is the point. The point is getting all the best riders together with the best bikes and seeing who is the best just like any other National series. Ozzy only had 11 SBK bikes on the grid at there last round so is there series a waste of time 2??

We had some pretty decent crowds at some of the Nationlas this season

Onya Craig. People need to realise riders step up at the nationals. Winning winter series races all the time wont make you faster - being beaten by faster riders will.

[suzuki21]

Billy....

Tyres 1 Set - $700
If its wet then wets - $700
Accomodation - $300
Fuel Petrol Van - $200
Fuel Petrol Car - $150
Fuel Bike - $60
Entry - $130 ish I think
Brake Pads - $100
Pit Garage - $200

Plus test day expenses

Fuel
Garage
Tyres
Sign On

This weekend would even be dearer if testing on Friday. Billys just used to sleeping under his van and only eats one pie a week.

[suzuki21]

OK so weve got a pair of tyres $700.00
Petrol for the van $200.00
Fuel for the bike $ 60.00
Accomodation $ 97.00 per person per night at the raceway motel
Brake pads $100.00
Entry fee $130.00
TOTAL $1287.00

Anything else is your choice and nobody elses,Id also suggest you get your van tuned if it uses $200,00 to travel 320ks,Researched it today and it costs around $65.00 less to run a F3 bike for the day,So how does that justify more tracktime???

You need to add $200 - alcohol for the crew