Help. VT250 has water in oil?

[actungbaby]

yes words keep encho
ing in my head " hes done marvlous job " i had think was looking at the same machine lets make raod trip of it here i smack your owner in gob if you do mine hehe what if hits back lets wear the crash helmets

well only thing i can think is quite few botls where only finger tight uncluding the tappet covers i know it really pelted down when mainfreight collected the bike
his freind told me so if water got in then seems bit far fetched though, mind you to be in vavle gear does seem werid , heartbreaking because i pawned all my amp 2 ps3 and xbox slim know got nothing to use and door stop of bike .

i got most the bolts out top ends done just wondering what involved getting cam chain loose i have no fly wheel puller thats where i come undone i worked on my xl100k2 done complete engine rebuild on that 20 years ago in cousins house opps in chch .

i even think the head stock is loose as it has know when hold front brake on
i assume fellow was young i have put down to inexperice

am going take heads off just to make sure about head gaskets , and to make sure no water in the bores , i droped my xl600 in small amount water in 90,s and by time took to honda agent like week the rings had got stuck in the piston cost 1 grand for strip new piston rings and was only year old bike aghhh

i am actaully enjoying taking the bike apart its actaully nice bike he pained the tank and done good job outside , i just think was jap import motor bike
some owners there never change oil or coolent and the head gasket whould either rusted or lack water cooked the motor

i get sump of and if its like rust on crank i go thats enough hehe

i actually was quite stressed yesterday with lack sleep and was working on my nephews pc but then when worked on vt i was calm again was cool
i found riding my bikes back in the day had same effect so high time got working bike even for 48 year old first time day carlos is 14 months old

mind you looking outside its cold brrr i was in garage last night and got no power so had have extenstion cord and bedside lamp to work from i knocked the blulb
and said few swear words when light went out and there in complete darkness
am sure motogp teams done have that hehe mind you chould explain the duckuti team this year

anyone wants copy greame crosby book croz i finished reading my copy and need the money ;-(

yes is shame when see the condtion some bikes mind you i think bikes seem last
better these days back 80s some real dogs bike in outside condtion , maybe use better paints these days, engines seem last better to .

good luck with kawaski not you need it ur do fine just take your time
do everthing to best ability your be fine want any help give me call
some jobs easy with 2

the zxr 250 be sweet ride nice rev smooth motor nice have to have ride
some time mind you i can still smell oil on my cloths hands hehe my wife told me off
for getting dirty hehe

thanks eveone

I think it's been sitting out in that beautiful weather you have out there without even a bike cover, it's the only explanation I can come up with, check all the underneath of the petrol tank and how is the rust on the subframe etc?

I can see a heavy strip and rebuild coming on there mate!! or even like ducatilover says, new engine!!

Really surprises me to see what a ton of negligence can do to such a beautiful machine, not to mention any machine for that matter!!

I got my ZXR 2 days ago and it makes me want to travel the 500 mile round trip to see the previous owner and smack him right in the gob, I have a rebuild ahead of me, was stripping it yesterday and oh my god, how this machine ever got on the road bewilders me!!

Oh well, all you can do is plod on and learn from the experience I say, I am actually looking forward to getting my hands really dirty cos this is going look like brand new when I have finished with it!!

Keep us updated fellah!!!

[actungbaby]

Update

Got the engine out today was very easy to do frame rail un bolts was easiest engine removal i done eaven easier than single xr 200

water gasket did loo0k had it was bubled around the water jackets lifting of the metal gasket even left the exhust header front cyclinder and rear cyclinder
pipe thought be alot more diffcult to do but no , even getting front head was easy
athough alot little pipes to remove , the cam chain was no trouble just undone cam sproket bolts and one cam came out then tension came of the whole system
and then front head just was easy to remove , i didnt find cam chain tension bolt
perhaps should looked , i havent got honda vt 250 manuall was told there wasint haines or clymer for this model so just have to work out as i go along

the valves are tiny hard to imagine what 250 4 valves whould look like
at moment am thinking get this motor fixed as the rust was mainly on rocker and springs and little pitting on cams but not to bad really

[ducatilover]

How's the front cylinder bore looking? I did have a set of VT250 Spada cams and heads sitting around a while ago, but, I got rid of them Could have built quite a neat little bike with them

[actungbaby]

thanks for the thought buddy yeah bore looks what i can see for some reason after put it in gear maybe first i can move the pistons even when try turning the wheel
might try puting push rod and getting clutch to back in

bit rust but only on the top lip away from where piston travels bore looks good to my untrained eye no sigh scouring or any marks and looks likeshiny but not to much so , yeah thinking be nice to get spada engine or heads i think got more
mid range from what remember honda changed it for spada but was thinking
spada engine must hang from top frail rails so must changed the engine castings and think spada engine looks much slimed down.
Cant belive how big the head casting are and you got this huge gap between where cam chain goes seems over kill you chould just fit you are down.

the heads so big and yet little part for combustion and tiny valves and bore

i never ridden vt 250 or any water coolled bike for that matter
hope not dispointed if was like 125 twin in 80s ever said what cool bike but one i rode buzzed and vibrated that much yuk.

its pity japs dont seem like twins honda did away with firestorm vt 1000
made the v 4 big heavy , u think bored out vt to 350 cc whould made great machine , 2 bikes i love to own whould be well 4 bikes

cbr 900 orginal model vtr 1000 srv 650 suzuki vfr 400 honda
they even had vf 500 didnt last long nz thast must be sweet motor
must google it

oh to this vt motor as broke was thinking taking chances getting new head gaskets
and sticking back toghter see how it runs then nephew can have bike to learn
on main reason brought he 18 and remember dad getting me bike changed my out
look life got me working so insteed me dicking around for next 3 months
i already got xr 200 thats been in pieces for year know after decided the frame needed paint after brought it working know its million pieces and no money to
restore it hehe

How's the front cylinder bore looking? I did have a set of VT250 Spada cams and heads sitting around a while ago, but, I got rid of them Could have built quite a neat little bike with them

[actungbaby]

i did see spada engine on trademe with rad too
not sure whats going this one mine when got it radiator apeared great took cap of everting about bike looked great i expecting worst really fuild loked green wow i though guy really done great job, funny thing next time looked it was empty
then i filled it with just water, then when took pike aprat was handly any in rad werid
wasint leaking on outisde damm talk about unless when cranked it when hooked up to my mx5 car and really cranked it over

there rust on tops the valve collets and rockers but not on lobes or where touchs the cam so thats phew . the head gasket to me looks gone on front cyclinder
still worked out to get rear one off or how you get sump of i undone all bolts
am have to burrow a torque wrench or hire one if you can, and get some info
on poundage maybe ask city honda nicely i try find spade in town to look at , guy rides on past ever day sounds sweet esp on downshifts must have nice pipe

anyways thanks for being intrested hope i can help someone too i better start reading of messages ;-(

How's the front cylinder bore looking? I did have a set of VT250 Spada cams and heads sitting around a while ago, but, I got rid of them Could have built quite a neat little bike with them

[ducatilover]

The Spada engine had more HP and torque (40hp/28nm), the engine casings should be the same, to my knowledge the porting in the heads and cam shafts were different as well as the carbs and CDI unit.
It would cost more to rebuild that motor than to replace it.
I'm not too sure about boring it out, the Spada motor ran wet liners in the cylinders and I imagine the VT is the same set up, not too good an idea to bore them out.

[Scouse]

then when removed the oil filter actuall clear water ran out like rain, i can only assume
the head gaskets are blown , this whould be why engine stoped running

i intend to fix the engine myself what whould be involved besides the removing the
radiator and both cyclinder heads i know the case is cast as one piece , and whould need to remove the complete motor . i may put hte carbs back on try starting motor but porbley not worth the bother untill fix the head gaskets

Did you ever go to school perhaps even just once?

as for you car not really ur fault my mx5 the temp gauge suddenly shot around after first got it drove to balance brigde here in pammy
gave me hell fright never done it again though they changed the temostat cap on radiator apprenlty have diffrent psi ones , the vt 250 done 53 thou k dont know the history of seems its jap import, best thing to do is keep your coolant with antifrezze as this has rust inhibter all the best mate

Or is this just some weird txt speak

Thanks dukelover

yes i wont leap in boots and all great advice i get comp checked first
then step 2 try strat the machine with carbs back on. i dd notice seems to be running rich only going exhusts spark plugs , as i never seen in going it does crank over fine though , the choke cable was attatched to the lever on handle bars
and was broken plastic tread in bottom cyclinder carb, i re attatched to the slid lever , been told its vt 250 fg has spare set fg wheels white mags but bike has old stlye comstars black and black chrome orginal pipes and look like new werid
and engine has hydrlic clutch so think its had engine swap , it has silver boxed steel chassis

thank you for great advice much appreciated
ps love the duckuti monster bikes so small really cool
seen guy on 900 made it look like a toy machine he was tall also
like honda cbr 900 want buy one soon be next project

Or are you dyslexic

thanks for that cool

just bit strange i got that water fall out the oil filter cover unless was just traped there i never owned water collected bike maybe perfectly fine

the main oil was really black in fact got oil window and i didnt even know was one tell i drained the oil completly

i put the crabs back check spark at the plugs and go from there if can get to start
i assume unless gasket really had it will still start and see how it runs

oh zzr 250 be rocket nice bike dude

Hitcher would have a field day with you

yes words keep encho
ing in my head " hes done marvlous job " i had think was looking at the same machine lets make raod trip of it here i smack your owner in gob if you do mine hehe what if hits back lets wear the crash helmets

well only thing i can think is quite few botls where only finger tight uncluding the tappet covers i know it really pelted down when mainfreight collected the bike
his freind told me so if water got in then seems bit far fetched though, mind you to be in vavle gear does seem werid , heartbreaking because i pawned all my amp 2 ps3 and xbox slim know got nothing to use and door stop of bike .

i got most the bolts out top ends done just wondering what involved getting cam chain loose i have no fly wheel puller thats where i come undone i worked on my xl100k2 done complete engine rebuild on that 20 years ago in cousins house opps in chch .

i even think the head stock is loose as it has know when hold front brake on
i assume fellow was young i have put down to inexperice

am going take heads off just to make sure about head gaskets , and to make sure no water in the bores , i droped my xl600 in small amount water in 90,s and by time took to honda agent like week the rings had got stuck in the piston cost 1 grand for strip new piston rings and was only year old bike aghhh

i am actaully enjoying taking the bike apart its actaully nice bike he pained the tank and done good job outside , i just think was jap import motor bike
some owners there never change oil or coolent and the head gasket whould either rusted or lack water cooked the motor

i get sump of and if its like rust on crank i go thats enough hehe

i actually was quite stressed yesterday with lack sleep and was working on my nephews pc but then when worked on vt i was calm again was cool
i found riding my bikes back in the day had same effect so high time got working bike even for 48 year old first time day carlos is 14 months old

mind you looking outside its cold brrr i was in garage last night and got no power so had have extenstion cord and bedside lamp to work from i knocked the blulb
and said few swear words when light went out and there in complete darkness
am sure motogp teams done have that hehe mind you chould explain the duckuti team this year

anyone wants copy greame crosby book croz i finished reading my copy and need the money ;-(

yes is shame when see the condtion some bikes mind you i think bikes seem last
better these days back 80s some real dogs bike in outside condtion , maybe use better paints these days, engines seem last better to .

good luck with kawaski not you need it ur do fine just take your time
do everthing to best ability your be fine want any help give me call
some jobs easy with 2

the zxr 250 be sweet ride nice rev smooth motor nice have to have ride
some time mind you i can still smell oil on my cloths hands hehe my wife told me off
for getting dirty hehe

thanks eveone

So you are 48 years old I would never have guessed that. Are you a foreigner?

Update

Got the engine out today was very easy to do frame rail un bolts was easiest engine removal i done eaven easier than single xr 200

water gasket did loo0k had it was bubled around the water jackets lifting of the metal gasket even left the exhust header front cyclinder and rear cyclinder
pipe thought be alot more diffcult to do but no , even getting front head was easy
athough alot little pipes to remove , the cam chain was no trouble just undone cam sproket bolts and one cam came out then tension came of the whole system
and then front head just was easy to remove , i didnt find cam chain tension bolt
perhaps should looked , i havent got honda vt 250 manuall was told there wasint haines or clymer for this model so just have to work out as i go along

the valves are tiny hard to imagine what 250 4 valves whould look like
at moment am thinking get this motor fixed as the rust was mainly on rocker and springs and little pitting on cams but not to bad really

its pity japs dont seem like twins honda did away with firestorm vt 1000
made the v 4 big heavy , u think bored out vt to 350 cc whould made great machine , 2 bikes i love to own whould be well 4 bikes

Tragic

i did see spada engine on trademe with rad too
not sure whats going this one mine when got it radiator apeared great took cap of everting about bike looked great i expecting worst really fuild loked green wow i though guy really done great job, funny thing next time looked it was empty
then i filled it with just water, then when took pike aprat was handly any in rad werid
wasint leaking on outisde damm talk about unless when cranked it when hooked up to my mx5 car and really cranked it over

there rust on tops the valve collets and rockers but not on lobes or where touchs the cam so thats phew . the head gasket to me looks gone on front cyclinder
still worked out to get rear one off or how you get sump of i undone all bolts
am have to burrow a torque wrench or hire one if you can, and get some info
on poundage maybe ask city honda nicely i try find spade in town to look at , guy rides on past ever day sounds sweet esp on downshifts must have nice pipe;(

Have you thought about a night school basic grammar and spelling course

[ducatilover]

Or is this just some weird txt speak

Wouldn't that be "text" speak?

[actungbaby]

thanks for that info

I have both heads of know i see what you meant by the bolt down by the gearbox
i think have to see about rebuilding this engine found bit brass nugets in the sump
if been panning for gold i be happy camper



QUOTE=ducatilover;1130090087]The Spada engine had more HP and torque (40hp/28nm), the engine casings should be the same, to my knowledge the porting in the heads and cam shafts were different as well as the carbs and CDI unit.
It would cost more to rebuild that motor than to replace it.
I'm not too sure about boring it out, the Spada motor ran wet liners in the cylinders and I imagine the VT is the same set up, not too good an idea to bore them out.[/QUOTE]

[actungbaby]

gee dude okay i rush when typing is that a crime
okay say to me in person i private message where to meet me to discuss this
you want be smart ass

Did you ever go to school perhaps even just once?

Or is this just some weird txt speak

Or are you dyslexic

Hitcher would have a field day with you

So you are 48 years old I would never have guessed that. Are you a foreigner?


Tragic

Have you thought about a night school basic grammar and spelling course

[bogan]

gee dude okay i rush when typing is that a crime
okay say to me in person i private message where to meet me to discuss this
you want be smart ass

Some constructive criticism: if you want people to help out with a problem, it's a good idea to make it as easy for them as possible. Proper spelling and grammar make it a lot easier for us to help you out.

[MSTRS:Me]

gee dude okay i rush when typing ...

Slow down, Rossi.

You'll get a better level of response, and assistance, if your posts are clear and literate. People are not going to be keen to help diagnose your mechanical issues, if they first have to diagnose what you type.

[actungbaby]

well u cant understand water in the engine and such i dont think i want your assistantce , to repat abuse and make out am thick are not hlep
so u dont like what i typye go #@@## yourself there is that clear

Slow down, Rossi.

You'll get a better level of response, and assistance, if your posts are clear and literate. People are not going to be keen to help diagnose your mechanical issues, if they first have to diagnose what you type.

[FJRider]

well u cant understand water in the engine and such i dont think i want your assistantce , to repat abuse and make out am thick are not hlep
so u dont like what i typye go #@@## yourself there is that clear

I'm guessing here ... but is English your second language ... ???

[MSTRS:Me]

I'm guessing here ... but is English your second language ... ???

Would seem so. Of course, the question is...what is his mother tongue? IlliterateArrogantMoron?