72 year old gt grandmother prosecuted for wagger

[oneofsix]

No, governments are just like school teachers, one kid commits are breach of rules so they apply a remedy across the board, punishing them all.

What we need is less government and someone with the balls to sort out those who need more, encouraging those that need less, to get on with their lives!

Maybe there are too many broken down school teachers in government!

And lawyers (and self righteous bastards)

[Winston001]

Yes I do!

The offenders committed those crimes, deal with those individuals and deal with "their" individual crimes!

Don't label everyone and force everyone else to be subjected to measures applicable to these criminals FFS!

That's all very well John but dealing with abusive parents after the fact is far too late for the children.

The vast majority of people are not a problem and have nothing to fear. I'd have no hesitation inviting a social worker into our home every 3/6 months to check our children.

[Spearfish]

That's all very well John but dealing with abusive parents after the fact is far too late for the children.

The vast majority of people are not a problem and have nothing to fear. I'd have no hesitation inviting a social worker into our home every 3/6 months to check our children.

That would mean the nation has set a basic standard and could get tricky especially with the likes of Suet Bradford at the wheel of any social standard formation.

[oneofsix]

That's all very well John but dealing with abusive parents after the fact is far too late for the children.

The vast majority of people are not a problem and have nothing to fear. I'd have no hesitation inviting a social worker into our home every 3/6 months to check our children.

Depends how long 'after the fact' and how many times you leave it. Put your resources in to dealing with the individuals and the individual cases.

How do you feel about some do gooder deciding all motorcyclists are bad parents because they don't have a high enough regard for safety?

Having dealt with well meaning social workers who had got the wrong end of the stick and experience with the truth of the saying that all power corrupts I must declare I side with the oldrider.

[oldrider]

That's all very well John but dealing with abusive parents after the fact is far too late for the children.

The vast majority of people are not a problem and have nothing to fear. I'd have no hesitation inviting a social worker into our home every 3/6 months to check our children.

True, I don't disagree with opinion but "WHY" make laws that effect the "majority", when you only want to correct the behaviour of the "minority"?

I.E. Don't hit my Johnny just hit the boy next to him, that should be enough for my Johnny!

That's the mentality of our law, the minority get all the attention and otherwise good kids say WTF and go off the rails too!

If I am wrong, why is the tail wagging the dog in every facet of our society?

Because the tail gets all the attention and rewards, the dog gets fuck all and has to pay for it!

And in case you haven't noticed, the only real consistent growth industry in New Zealand is "CRIME"!

Where are these students of crime coming from?

From our otherwise crime-less majority! (Monkey see, monkey do)

[SPman]

Having dealt with well meaning social workers who had got the wrong end of the stick and experience with the truth of the saying that all power corrupts I must declare I side with the oldrider.

I know a Social worker who is neither social, nor a worker...I wouldn't let her be in charge of a kitchen spoon, let alone kid's lives and futures.

If a law is passed that leaves any room for discretion, sooner or later you'll get an authoritarian little wanker who will pursue it to it's inevitable end, no matter how much harm is caused, damage is done, or lives are wrecked!
Because - IT IS THE LAW!!

Just remember, if they're from the Government and they say they're here to help, punch them in the ovaries or testicles and run away as fast as you can.

[MSTRS:Me]

I'd have no hesitation inviting a social worker into our home every 3/6 months to check our children.

I'd advise EXTREME caution in saying things like that.
How long did Peter Ellis spend inside because of social workers and their ilk?

[Winston001]

I suppose chaps I'm not afraid of the law or of the people who enforce it.

The usual complaint about social workers (CYFS) is "Why didn't they do something sooner??" Well if the perspectives expressed on KB are anything to go by, we may as well disband CYFS and just prosecute the few parents who get caught after Johnny is crippled or dead. Kahui twins murderer convicted??

If we cannot support social workers, teachers, doctors, relatives etc to take action then we're just going to see more dead kids. If you think that's an acceptable risk, ok. If you are scared of the police and childrens' services, in a free open democracy like NZ, then nothing I say can make any difference.

[MSTRS:Me]

The problem with the likes of CYFS is that they wield an enormous amount of power. And they seldom, if ever, get involved, unless they believe there is a problem. Trouble is, in their minds they are there because there is a problem, so they then see problems that don't exist, or create them to suit.

[superman]

In Switzerland if your child turns up to school tired in some cantons the parents will be prosecuted.

[oneofsix]

I suppose chaps I'm not afraid of the law or of the people who enforce it.

The usual complaint about social workers (CYFS) is "Why didn't they do something sooner??" Well if the perspectives expressed on KB are anything to go by, we may as well disband CYFS and just prosecute the few parents who get caught after Johnny is crippled or dead. Kahui twins murderer convicted??

If we cannot support social workers, teachers, doctors, relatives etc to take action then we're just going to see more dead kids. If you think that's an acceptable risk, ok. If you are scared of the police and childrens' services, in a free open democracy like NZ, then nothing I say can make any difference.

That "usual complaint" comes about due to the only view people generally have of CYFS, i.e. when something goes so wrong the kid ends up dead or dieing. And it is a fair question, what is wrong with the system where it spends so long poking its nose in where it doesn't belong and yet still refuses to act in cases where there is a clear and present danger to the child?

[Winston001]

And it is a fair question, what is wrong with the system where it spends so long poking its nose in where it doesn't belong and yet still refuses to act in cases where there is a clear and present danger to the child?

Fair enough. Can you give examples of CYFS poking their nose in where it doesn't belong? And also cases of refusing to act?

[MIXONE]

The poor CYFS workers have one of the hardest jobs out there and are damned if they do and damned if they don't.