Super city inner city trains!

[mashman]

Anything ground based is open to "nature". You're going to have to suspend the project. Personally I vote for

[Scouse]

I'd like to see the city get a tram system similar in size or larger than Wellington. Clean and quiet and if on rails could be quite a visitor attraction.
It would or get rid or reduce one of the most dangerous, noisy, polluting vehicles off our roads ie buses!!

And replace those dangerous busses with dangerous steel tram tracks on a public road. I think that they would be rather dangerous in wet weather dont you?

[Gremlin]

Well the option that is actually going to happen isn't listed. Fuck all. Despite a project having tangible benefits, someone gets stuck with a bleeding heart, listing all the disadvantages, and in the end, nothing but a bunch of reports costing millions gets done.

What I would like to happen, is see light rapid rail/monorail. Re use existing streets etc by suspending above. No need for extra roads etc. Small pods, run frequently. People need the carrot AND stick to leave cars behind (for those that can). And for christ's sake, for those that are using it, don't go and ping all their cars for illegal parking, when you can't provide enough spaces Build goddamn multi-story buildings for parking.

[Ocean1]

And replace those dangerous busses with dangerous steel tram tracks on a public road. I think that they would be rather dangerous in wet weather dont you?

If it results in less traffic I'd say there's be a deal less carnage all round, no?

Besides...

[avgas]

I'm with the rail loop, then bridge crossing.

Trams are horrible, slow, not-really-transport things. Imagine if Tokyo had a tram instead of the Yamanote Line. Casio's would be 1 hour slower each day.

Also they already have the "city circle bus line" thing which is crap, so why just pile more crap on crap - trying to make a milkshake.

Give us a proper metro.

[Luckylegs]

And replace those dangerous busses with dangerous steel tram tracks on a public road. I think that they would be rather dangerous in wet weather dont you?

And fuck me if the overhead cabling and assiciated poles arent damm ugly.

Absolutely stuffed my unintereupted panoramic views of.... Thd auckland fish market, hirequip and the tank farm... BASTARDS!!!

Now, as weve joked at work, if theyd just give us a little control box so we can use it like a train set, now that'd be fun!

[Swoop]

Most people do not work in the city centre, many of us rarely go to the city centre.

She Who Must Be Obeyed has started working in lower Auckland CBD, literally a minute or two from Britomart.

Her investigations into transport were amusing...
The trains were not starting early enough to get into the city for start time.
Busses? Nope. What a joke there.
Take the car? The cost of parking would empty the bank account faster than Nick Smith's attempts.

A scroter looked like the best option. Free parking being the predominant factor.


Auckland has had plenty of time to plan ahead for this expansion of the city. I seriously doubt that our city "leaders" have half a braincell dedicated to the task though.

[p.dath]

Thinking about it, you need to decide what problem you are trying to solve first, before deciding on the solution.

My initial thoughts are the problem is getting people in and out of the city, rather than around the city. So this makes me think that you need to get people 20km to 30km as fast as you can.

Tram's are not going to be the answer to this problem. They are slow. Who would want to spend an hour on a slow moving tram that stops frequently to pick up and drop off people? Might as well take the car and be there in 30 minutes.

So a rapid transit train system seems the solution - to get people form the suburbs into the CBD into work, and of course, back out again.

The transit system should be one that motivates people to use it. And something that is much faster and easier will do that.
Creating a system that will only be used when subsidised seems a folly to me. And of course, don't forget who is really funding the subsidy - so it really isn't any cheaper, you just pay for part of the fare weather you use it or not.


The harbour bridge represents a single point of failure. Sure you can drive around the harbour, but that takes significantly longer. The second issue is the level of congestion and the current level of people trying to use the bridge. The last issue is the end of the lifetime of the bridge is approaching, and a lot of money will need to be spent to extend it (or you reduce the load on the bridge).
You can indeed address two of these issues with a second crossing. So this seems reasonable. The other issue (congestion) could also be addresses with another crossing, but potentially resolved using other methods (such as rail over the current bridge ...).

[MisterD]

I soon came to the conclusion that the best cities of the world being the ones that really are alive in the CBD have one thing in common and that is steel rails through the streets.

Stockholm, Amsterdam, Melbourne....Manchester

Stick a tram line in from Viaduct to St Heliers and you'll soon solve the "problem" of those big bunches of cyclists.

[Mungatoke Mad]

And replace those dangerous busses with dangerous steel tram tracks on a public road. I think that they would be rather dangerous in wet weather dont you?

They used to use sand from a sand box under the seat dropped in front of the wheels for grip on ice wet etc & that was 1939 technology.
Talking to a driver at paekakariki tram museum a few years ago he said 1 Queens B/day W/end their largest power bill for 3 days running was 20 something dollars that included the ticket booth.

[blue rider]

how about this, the suspended monorail from wuppertal

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com...-railway/20672



in operation since 1901, and on weekends they do the coffee and cake special

[p.dath]

how about this, the suspended monorail from wuppertal

I think a monorail is a serious option. Considerably cheaper than digging tunnels. Emergency evacuations are easier. Less danger from explosions than a tunnel. Can be run over the top of existing motorway lanes (or rather, over the top of the "break down" lane). Can re-use current bus terminals. Can run automated.

[bogan]

gotta think outside the box, this is what we need



The Straddlebus! gigantic chinese men not included

No need for another bridge or removal of any lanes, and why go retro when you can go futuristic!