Race numbers - a bitch...

[Ronin]

You obviously have as much problem with the english langauge add a thing called a "Sence of Humour" and must be having a bad day or hanging onto or releasing some thing today

Carry on Driver and have a good day

Arrogant much?

Spend as much time standing out in the rain marshalling your sport as 'tart has and then get back to us on the merits of race numbers.

[MSTRS:Me]

I don't really understand why Shaun, or any other racer for that matter, should have a problem with what is a MNZ rule. The fact is that for a long time no-one has said much about race numbers, and 'liberties' have been increasingly taken with size/style etc. And now it's got to the point where eyes cannot identify some bikes by number.
Racing is a team effort...and the team includes the marshals.
Help us to help you.
Simple.

[RobGassit]

What ever happened to that great idea of having number fins on the riders helmets?

[Skunk]

And right here is why I don't use KB much.

First I'd like to thank those that have argued with and dissed the very people that put the work in to give you a race meeting. Awesome.

Race number rules are in the rule book. Read it. Do it. It's been abused - get back on track. No excuses. Make your bike fit the rules. Very simple. What YOU have to do to achieve that is not a flaggies concern.

There is no reason for ANY discussion. Rules are rules. Turn up with unclear numbers and you can go home. Blame those that pushed it as far as they did. Blaming organises and everyone else is not helping ANYTHING.

Over and Out.

[Tony.OK]

All other classes the following apply:
Number Boards
Size: Minimum width 285mm, minimum height 235mm, oval or
rectangular in shape.
Placement: 3 number boards to be affixed or placed upon the motorcycle,
in colours required for the class as follows:
Front: Facing forwards, with not more than 30 degrees forwards from
vertical.
Sides: One either side of the motorcycle in a position clearly visible
when the rider (and passenger for sidecars) is seated in their
usual riding position.

In a place on separate boards, a space of equivalent size and shape can be on
the bodywork or streamlining.

Wrong Rule mate.............thats for all classes other than road racing.

140mm high.
No overlap.
Visible at a 20 metre ride-by.
Stewards call final.

Pretty simple - all riders at Actrix Winter Series Round 3 should know it - I read it out. Use the screen if the fairing isn't big enough.
The simple thing is it must be able to be read by the flag points as you approach them from as far away as possible.

Race number rules are in the rule book.

The correct road racing rules:

ROAD RACING

Appendix’s A, C, G and I the following rules apply:
Number Boards
Size: Minimum width 285mm, minimum height 235mm, oval or
rectangular in shape.

Placement: Fairing, front of fairing one number board facing forward.
Numbers may also be placed on both sides of the fairing
Rear Tailpiece; minimum of one number on rear seat tailpiece.

Figures all classes:
Figures must be clearly legible and both numbers and
backgrounds must be in a non-gloss finish
A plain form of figure shall be used.

Not being picky but maybe to clarify it all the club either has their own supp rules on the website so no disputes can be had or follows MNZ rules which basically are fairly crap.
Is the steward from MNZ? If so then can he/she enforce a rule that is not an MNZ rule?
Just looking at it from all angles, not trying to be awkward. I think MNZ needs to have it defined as it used to be. No arguements to be had then.

[MSTRS:Me]

Wrong Rule mate.............thats for all classes other than road racing.

The .pdf rule book is not easy to follow (or download) but my quote from it was correct in that it was for bikes other than motocross/offroad...
The road-race only bikes have the proviso that only one number needs to be on the tailpiece. MNZ do not appear to have considered marshal's requirements wit that rule. There are also appendices which do not seem to be available online. I have no idea what they might say.

Is the steward from MNZ? If so then can he/she enforce a rule that is not an MNZ rule?

There is always an MNZ rep at racing. Complaints about poor adherence to the number rules had him checking each bike at Round 3. He does not apply rules that are not within MNZ's balliwick.

Just looking at it from all angles, not trying to be awkward. I think MNZ needs to have it defined as it used to be. No arguements to be had then.

The rules ARE defined. They are just not always easy to find...

Skunk is right. We marshals don't enforce the rules. MNZ and/or the organising club does.
But the fact remains that if marshals cannot readily identify any particular bike because of number issues, and racers going all prima donna about how no-one can make them change their bike etc, those marshals may just get to the frustrated point of saying fuck it and not turning up. Hands up, all those that want to keep pushing until that happens...

Look - it's really simple. There are rules about almost everything and the onus is on the rider/team to ensure their bike complies. Strangely enough, the vast majority of racers can and do comply. It is very few who are not doing this, but race officials have had enough.
Just because scrutineering doesn't happen anymore (at least at VMCC events) because of legal issues around liability, that is no excuse for fielding an unsafe or non-compliant bike.

We can go around in circles, arguing our different corners. But on race day there will be no argument. If the organisers or MNZ aren't happy with a bike, it will not be going on the track until the issue is fixed.

[Deano]

Do I get a chokky fish ?

[Biggles08]

Skunk is right. We marshals don't enforce the rules. MNZ and/or the organising club does.
But the fact remains that if marshals cannot readily identify any particular bike because of number issues, and racers going all prima donna about how no-one can make them change their bike etc, those marshals may just get to the frustrated point of saying fuck it and not turning up. Hands up, all those that want to keep pushing until that happens...

Look - it's really simple. There are rules about almost everything and the onus is on the rider/team to ensure their bike complies. Strangely enough, the vast majority of racers can and do comply. It is very few who are not doing this, but race officials have had enough.
Just because scrutineering doesn't happen anymore (at least at VMCC events) because of legal issues around liability, that is no excuse for fielding an unsafe or non-compliant bike.

We can go around in circles, arguing our different corners. But on race day there will be no argument. If the organisers or MNZ aren't happy with a bike, it will not be going on the track until the issue is fixed.

I haven't read this whole thread as to me it seems pretty bloody simple...make your numbers as large and clear as possible.

I reckon my numbers are not 'legal' in the sense of the MNZ dimensions, but I ensure my numbers are as large as they can be for my bike (and in the correct colour). If someone told me off for not having clear enough numbers (as they tried once at a AMCC meeting ages ago - more to that story though ) I would tell them they possibly should go see an optometrist about that.

Any racer that can't understand what you have just posted here MSTRS are nit picking and they should F$#k off.

[Biggles08]

Do I get a chokky fish ?

No cause I'm confused...are you number 46 or number 180?????

[Deano]

No cause I'm confused...are you number 46 or number 180?????

Ah feck - back to the drawing board.

[MSTRS:Me]

Do I get a chokky fish ?

Perhaps that explains why you were never given the white or chequered flags first at Manfeild....

[quickbuck]

Do I get a chokky fish ?

Nope. You are supposed to have Black Numbers on an Orange back ground, being a production based bike.

[Deano]

Nope. You are supposed to have Black Numbers on an Orange back ground, being a production based bike.

You're missing the point I think.

The other numbers on my bike I believe already meet the MNZ rules.

The orange ones on the sides are purely for the marshals benefit (and MC etc), not to meet any rules.

[quickbuck]

So something like .................. Attachment 243258

Just put 'em where ya can to help out? Would cost fek all. I think making a size rule for those could be tricky given the vastly differing bike shapes.

Yeah, all good apart from you have managed to photoshop on figures 60mm high and 8mm wide.... and missed out the orange back ground.
See my problem? The 250 is awfully small! The only number that fits in the regulations is the one on the tail piece, and that is bloody enormous compared to the rest of the bike... as in it takes up the WHOLE tail piece.

As for cost, yeah, it is only paint...... and TIME.
Why paint? The vinyl is bloody hard to apply over all the contours... Not impossible, and not my job, but bloody tricky.

[Deano]

Perhaps that explains why you were never given the white or chequered flags first at Manfeild....

I don't think anyone reeeeaaaaally thought that it was Rossi out there on my SV.

Or are you saying that I eat too many chokky fish ?