I agree with Alasdair Thompson

[Indiana_Jones]

Wow her husband must be a selfish prick.

You are neglecting the context of his position. He would NOT be allowed to make a statement about his feelings on Labour or National in that position in an election year. He is the figurehead for the Employers Association and he speaks as such. His views are outdated and he needs to move on to sitting on his porch listening to golden oldies and moaning about the youth of today.

That is true, he position does make things a bit different, but it is his opinion/view. He's not making policy based on this etc, he's just giving his thought on a matter.

-Indy

[Oscar]

What bothers me about this whole issue is that once again, rather than debate the content or merit of the opinion modern society seems rather to want to condemn the person for expressing it in the first place.

Whether you like it or not the issues that he has raised will at least affect some businesses perceptions of women's productivity and in some case those perceptions will be borne out.

How very true.‎
I don't support the way he said it, or some of the conclusions that he came to, but his ‎underlying premise is correct.‎

Female morbidity in the workforce is much worse than male morbidity, to the extent ‎that, before the age of sixty-five a woman is fifty percent more like to have a long ‎term disability (and these figures exclude childbirth). Women are typically rated fifty ‎percent higher for income protection insurance as a result (as opposed to life ‎insurance where they are typically rated as three years younger than a male).‎

‎(and to turn the argument on its head) This means that men are discriminated against ‎in terms of the number of days sick leave they take compared to women. That is, women are ‎more likely to have sick days, so in a situation where everything else is equal, they ‎use more of this part of their employment benefit and effectively get paid more. ‎

Whilst were dwelling on unpalatable social facts – both men and women who have ‎children are effectively paid more than those who don’t. To have benefits like ‎corporate child care, maternity/paternity leave and childcare tax breaks is effectively ‎offering a benefit to one part of society at the cost of the rest. Procreation has been a ‎lifestyle choice for a few generations now, so why are childless men and women ‎forced to subsidise those who breed?‎

[oneofsix]

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Whilst were dwelling on unpalatable social facts – both men and women who have ‎children are effectively paid more than those who don’t. To have benefits like ‎corporate child care, maternity/paternity leave and childcare tax breaks is effectively ‎offering a benefit to one part of society at the cost of the rest. Procreation has been a ‎lifestyle choice for a few generations now, so why are childless men and women ‎forced to subsidise those who breed?‎

Because corporation want to continue into the next generation. Because more people procreate than don't. Because employees with kids are less likely to upset things and more likely to eat shit to retain employment. Because the long term benefits to the corporation out weigh the short term costs.

[avgas]

I get paid to work 40 hours per week while doing the job of 3 people. I also get paid about 15% less than the guy who sits next to me DOING THE SAME JOB.

Oi stop undercutting us guys and stealing jobs. Surely 1 job is enough for you - no need to steal another 2. Bloody thief.

[avgas]

Being one of these women that 'just takes a day off at that time of the month' I would challenge any of you dudes not to if you experienced what I and many other women do

I accept your challenge and I will from now on take 12 sick days a year.

[rachprice]

I accept your challenge and I will from now on take 12 sick days a year.

If only I could give you my uterus, cunting fucking thing!!

Trust me you wouldn't want 50 sick days if it meant you got it!!

[Brett]

I imagine it would be similar to a kick in the balls that you have to endure for a few days. Doesn't exactly sound like a whole lot of fun to me...

[Scuba_Steve]

I imagine it would be similar to a kick in the balls that you have to endure for a few days. Doesn't exactly sound like a whole lot of fun to me...

well I'd hope it be worse than that, that wouldn't keep me from work. I wouldn't want it ever (let alone monthly) but it wouldn't stop me going to work nor would it start me popping pills

[mashman]

Said in the in the same vein as, War and Famine keeps the population down?... the total number of people that is

[jaffaonajappa]

Let me get this straight.

People think women take time off as they have medical issues and are the primary caregivers to kids...so they should be paid less?

LOL.

Primary caregivers to our kids and workers too - pay them more I say. Their attitude seems better adjusted.

I supervise a large group of guys and gals daily. All on Equal pay....well actually, all on various paysclaes that have Nothing to do with their Sex or family status. Its fucking excellent....this topic would never ever even get a mention in my workplace.

And just as many guys take parental leave to look after kids as the girls do. But when the Flu comes around....the guys take time off, the girls save up their sick leave for when their kids are sick....and 'Man Flu' starts to get some meaning.

[blue rider]

wow, excusing discrimination based on a natural occurrence!

females often start 'bleeding' at 11 years and or younger, they often don't stop before they are well in their forties. so we are talking of 30 years of monthly menstruation lasting anything from 3 - 10 days depending on the female. the bleeding can be severe, i.e. pissing blood, or very mild, again depending on the female.
and then these females start "breeding" and gasp, they insist in looking after the child. (what was that thing about the welfare refom/thread?)

how dare they expect same pay for same work. and how dare they take a day of when they feel unwell.......and still expect same pay....

Kinder, Kueche, Kirche.....in the 21st century

[Mort]

yes they should be paid the same as men....


But..... ever go in to a busy bar/restaurant/cafe/shop staffed by several women ? And compare the situation to a bar staffed by men...? generally the women do anything but serve the customer and the men act as a team to get what is important done first.....

This hypothesis is completely annulled if the women are topless of course. (I don't frequent establishments where the male staff are topless so I cannot testify on that but I am sure Katman can)

[jaffaonajappa]

yes they should be paid the same as men....


But..... ever go in to a busy bar/restaurant/cafe/shop staffed by several women ? And compare the situation to a bar staffed by men...? generally the women do anything but serve the customer and the men act as a team to get what is important done first.....

Bwahahahah. Sorry mate....but this is Sooo OFF balance its just not funny. The biggest and best bars usually have male and female mixed bar staff. And the better bars...dont hire staff that are not efficient. Unless they are deliberately slowing down sales during a Happy hour etc.

And i could almost Guarantee I have had more exposure to different bars than...95% of anyone here.

[Indiana_Jones]

Let me get this straight.

People think women take time off as they have medical issues and are the primary caregivers to kids...so they should be paid less?

No one said pay them a rate less than a man. If that were the case I'd be against that, the pay rate should be and is based on skill, not sex. Hours put in on the other hand...

Are you suggesting women should get more sick days because they're on the rag? Sure, but only if men get the same, I mean it's only fair....

-Indy

[jazfender]

Sure, but only if men get the same, I mean it's only fair....

-Indy

It's not fair enough that we don't get the rag?