I agree with Alasdair Thompson

[blue rider]

I'd be surprised if that wasn't the case. If I took a decade out from my career I expect my mean hourly rate would suffer too.

would you take a decade out from your career to raise your kids, to look after you family?

we still live in a world with defined gender roles, and for some reason instead of promoting women for raising children, being primary caregiver, managing the family, volunteering in schools n'stuff, and still being cheerful and pretty and such, society rewards them with
low pay, crap part time jobs, minimal career option, reduced unemployment benefits, reduced retirement benefits, welfare reform etc. etc. all based on such a silly statements as the one above.

as the chinese say: women hold up one half of the sky

as my mother said, no man was ever born by a man - and they just can't get over it.

[Indiana_Jones]

So why is equal pay expected then ... ????

This is it, I can understand getting the same pay rate per hour, but are people seriously suggesting that women get paid more for less hours?

-Indy

[jazfender]

So why is equal pay expected then ... ????

Because if two people are doing the same job, they should be paid the same regardless of who they are, what sex they are, who they fuck on weekends etc.

[Indiana_Jones]

Because if two people are doing the same job, they should be paid the same regardless of who they are, what sex they are, who they fuck on weekends etc.

So if Bob comes to work and Sally doesn't as she's having a bad period, they both get paid?

Assuming they had used there how many sick days you get, already

-Indy

[FJRider]

Because if two people are doing the same job, they should be paid the same regardless of who they are, what sex they are, who they fuck on weekends etc.

If they have the same qualifications, and ability ... to do the job they are employed to do ... yes ...

With equal amounts of holidays ...

With thje advent of the Employment act in force at the moment .. all parties have a "right" to negotiate their wage/time off prior to employment beginning ...

The conditions of which ... they (male or female) can accept ... or reject ...

[blue rider]

This is it, I can understand getting the same pay rate per hour, but are people seriously suggesting that women get paid more for less hours?

-Indy

the outrage is about the generalization of the statement made. . I.e. women have a monthly sickness (I MEAN REALLY?)..... IT IS NOT A disease, it is part of our genetic make up - unpleasant and sometimes painful, very painful even. We have children, its what a lot of us do and as far as I know men participate and even enjoy the making of little ones.

Are we as a society ok for wifes , ladyfriends, daughters and/or mothers to be short changed pay BECAUSE OF who she physically is....and what she can not change?

this just makes me sad and well

[Indiana_Jones]

the outrage is about the generalization of the statement made. . I.e. women have a monthly sickness (I MEAN REALLY?)..... IT IS NOT A disease, it is part of our genetic make up - unpleasant and sometimes painful, very painful even. We have children, its what a lot of us do and as far as I know men participate and even enjoy the making of little ones.

Are we as a society ok for wifes , ladyfriends, daughters and/or mothers to be short changed pay BECAUSE OF who she physically is....and what she can not change?

this just makes me sad and well

Well a spade is a spade.

The sky is blue, black people are black and women have periods.

I just think he chose his words poorly, I don't think he was suggesting it was a disease. More so he was trying to aviod using the word period or menstral cycle I reckon.

-Indy

[jaffaonajappa]

the outrage is about the generalization of the statement made. . I.e. women have a monthly sickness (I MEAN REALLY?)..... IT IS NOT A disease, it is part of our genetic make up - unpleasant and sometimes painful, very painful even. We have children, its what a lot of us do and as far as I know men participate and even enjoy the making of little ones.

Are we as a society ok for wifes , ladyfriends, daughters and/or mothers to be short changed pay BECAUSE OF who she physically is....and what she can not change?

I like this - you have put this message across in an interesting light. Maybe people will read it and think before they go round in circles?

Or maybe thats a dumb thought..

[blue rider]

Well a spade is a spade.

The sky is blue, black people are black and women have periods.

I just think he chose his words poorly, I don't think he was suggesting it was a disease. More so he was trying to aviod using the word period or menstral cycle I reckon.

-Indy

and when he does the naughty with the lady he turns of the lights.


the insult lies in the trying to be polite - polite to Whom?



It is called MENSTRUATION!

[Ocean1]

would you take a decade out from your career to raise your kids, to look after you family?

Yes.

And if/when I returned to the workforce I wouldn't expect my employer to pay me as if I hadn't missed that decade of experience.

we still live in a world with defined gender roles, and for some reason instead of promoting women for raising children, being primary caregiver, managing the family, volunteering in schools n'stuff, and still being cheerful and pretty and such, society rewards them with
low pay, crap part time jobs, minimal career option, reduced unemployment benefits, reduced retirement benefits, welfare reform etc. etc. all based on such a silly statements as the one above.

as the chinese say: women hold up one half of the sky

as my mother said, no man was ever born by a man - and they just can't get over it.

There's a reason the real world identifies certain roles with one gender or the other. We're good at different things. Or hadn't you noticed.

You might have also failed to notice that those women who chose a career over kids are rewarded for the most part with remuneration more closely aligned with their male contemporaries. Women who choose to have kids tend to claim their rewards are superior. Your choice, nobody else’s.

When you've developed a few ideas on which to base your own statements instead of parroting either your mother or a completely different culture you might have earned the credibility to have them taken seriously.

[rachprice]

So if Bob comes to work and Sally doesn't as she's having a bad period, they both get paid?

Assuming they had used there how many sick days you get, already

-Indy

I would accept taking days without pay if I had run out, though I don't get flu or much else so man flu vs my health + period wouldn't be so bad

[jaffaonajappa]

I've never asked ... so I didn't know ... but if you have ... I'll take your word for it ...

yeah sorry man. Didnt mean to have a personal Dig...just used a poor example.

But for what its worth - yeah, I once went to a bra shop and bought myself a bra. Convinced the chick that helped me (had to try it on, over the top of a tee shirt tho lol) to meet me at the local club that night too....and she was Hawt. :P
And yes, I wasnt the first single (straight!) guy to get a bra.

The local club has $2 drinks all night for guys that wore a bra....and hell it used to be fun. If ya couldnt pick-up in there - may as well join the priesthood.
Then the bar down the road had skirt nights....but thats a different story.

[jaffaonajappa]

When you've developed a few ideas on which to base your own statements instead of parroting either your mother or a completely different culture you might have earned the credibility to have them taken seriously.

wow.
Rag time.
okies....in my parents day, it was about 50/50, women staying at home and being the wife/mother/cook/cleaner. and 50% of men not earning enough for this luxury so the women have to work.

Nowadays, its like 80/20 or so yes? I know heaps of middle income families where the kids as young as 12 months old are being put in day care, or arrangements with extended family care, so the mum can race back to work. Usually to pay the bills and make ends meet.

After say 15 months out of work, and not talking about a cutting-edge top flight profession here, but middle class normal stuff. Shouldnt the woman be entitled to the same, or very very similar, pay to what she had been on before childbirth?

Lots of cases pointing out that this isnt occuring. Probably part of the reason for the new parental leave laws?

[Indiana_Jones]

and when he does the naughty with the lady he turns of the lights.


the insult lies in the trying to be polite - polite to Whom?



It is called MENSTRUATION!

Talking to the wrong guy there, I'd be calling it a cunt on air, hence why I'm not on the radio/TV lol

-Indy

[blue rider]

Yes.

And if/when I returned to the workforce I wouldn't expect my employer to pay me as if I hadn't missed that decade of experience.



There's a reason the real world identifies certain roles with one gender or the other. We're good at different things. Or hadn't you noticed.

You might have also failed to notice that those women who chose a career over kids are rewarded for the most part with remuneration more closely aligned with their male contemporaries. Women who choose to have kids tend to claim their rewards are superior. Your choice, nobody else’s.

When you've developed a few ideas on which to base your own statements instead of parroting either your mother or a completely different culture you might have earned the credibility to have them taken seriously.

You do not know me at all, yet you are below the line.
You are right in one thing I don't have kids, I don't bleed either, in fact i miss vital parts of the machinery necessary to incubate kids.

I never made that choice, nature did for me. But one thing is for sure, I am a women - and as such I believe I can comment on issues that affect females.

you however are only an engineer.