I agree with Alasdair Thompson

**Ocean1** · 24th June 2011, 23:10

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

After say 15 months out of work, and not talking about a cutting-edge top flight profession here, but middle class normal stuff. Shouldnt the woman be entitled to the same, or very very similar, pay to what she had been on before childbirth?

Lots of cases pointing out that this isnt occuring. Probably part of the reason for the new parental leave laws?

Returning to the same position and employer I'd expect to attract the same rate. Unless the companies' structure had since fundamentaly changed. At 15 months you're more than likely talking a new employer, there's possibly little relativity to previous remuneration, I'd expect to have to negotiate accordingly.

**Indiana_Jones** · 24th June 2011, 23:18

Originally Posted by blue rider

you however are only an engineer.

What's wrong with ginger beers? lol

-Indy

**jaffaonajappa** · 24th June 2011, 23:24

Took how many thousands of years before women were able to vote as equals to men in an election?
How long till Apartheid was understood to be what it was? Legalised Hatred and Fear.
Once apon a century, babies with disabilities were abandoned.
Yeah, some countries are still trying to control the birth sexes. ie Indians generally prefer Boy babies than girls.
Holy Wars were declared on people that prayed to a different God. (we do this less often nowadays ok?)
Homosexuality was illegal at different times in many cultures.

Seems human kind has developed since the Good Ole Days. Yet we are ever reluctant to shake off the last of our old fashioned discriminations....the Gender one.

Funny shit really. And surprised none of the old school fellas have bought up Jessica Lynch yet...

**Ocean1** · 24th June 2011, 23:38

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

Seems human kind has developed since the Good Ole Days. Yet we are ever reluctant to shake off the last of our old fashioned discriminations....the Gender one.

Discrimination based on sex isn't restricted to men. Nor is it restricted to any particular era, and I don't see any change on the horizon.

Women who demand equality in eveything fail to recognise that in many cases that's a step backwards for them.

**Indiana_Jones** · 25th June 2011, 00:03

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Discrimination based on sex isn't restricted to men. Nor is it restricted to any particular era, and I don't see any change on the horizon.

Women who demand equality in eveything fail to recognise that in many cases that's a step backwards for them.

Funny you say that.

They want things to be equal, yet if a man suggests going 'dutch' on a date they consider him cheap..... or they expect doors to be opened for them or the bog seat put down....

Can't have your cake and eat it...

-Indy

**trustme** · 25th June 2011, 08:07

For those of you who clearly do indeed have an attention span shorter than a knat.
Unequal pay for the same work was never advocated in the interview. He was strongly pro equal pay for equal work based on productivity not gender. He added that 2 of the highest paid people he employed were women, they earned more because their productivity was higher & consequently there billing hours & revenue produced was higher.

This is a total beat up, he made a balls of the interview , no question of that. But many of the assertions made here bare no resemblance to the intent of what was actually said.

**Scuba_Steve** · 25th June 2011, 09:39

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Funny you say that.

They want things to be equal, yet if a man suggests going 'dutch' on a date they consider him cheap..... or they expect doors to be opened for them or the bog seat put down....

Can't have your cake and eat it...

-Indy

Yea "equal rights" as long as it's to their advantage

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**FJRider** · 25th June 2011, 10:34

Originally Posted by trustme

Unequal pay for the same work was never advocated in the interview. He was strongly pro equal pay for equal work based on productivity not gender. He added that 2 of the highest paid people he employed were women, they earned more because their productivity was higher & consequently there billing hours & revenue produced was higher.

Therein lies the crux of the "equal pay for both genders" debate ...

**jazfender** · 25th June 2011, 10:41

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

So if Bob comes to work and Sally doesn't as she's having a bad period, they both get paid?

Sure.

As an isolated incident it doesn't seem fair but you gotta look at the whole picture with these things.

**imdying** · 25th June 2011, 11:33

Originally Posted by blue rider

I never made that choice, nature did for me. But one thing is for sure, I am a women

Yeah.... can't have kids? Not really a women then. Or maybe just not a useful one?

**jazfender** · 25th June 2011, 11:46

Originally Posted by imdying

Yeah.... can't have kids? Not really a women then. Or maybe just not a useful one?

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

**PrincessBandit** · 25th June 2011, 12:02

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Funny you say that.

They want things to be equal, yet if a man suggests going 'dutch' on a date they consider him cheap..... or they expect doors to be opened for them or the bog seat put down....

Can't have your cake and eat it...

-Indy

Yup, self-absorbed and self-interest chasing members of both genders. I personally never had any problem with "paying my own way" (going Dutch as you say, as opposed to "payment for services rendered" type of thing); and I make a point of saying thank you to any man or woman, or student (male or female) who does something such as holding a door open for me etc.

Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

Yea "equal rights" as long as it's to their advantage

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See first sentence in above post. these people come in both the male and female variety (and possible some others...iykwim

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Oh, and for the record, my 19 y o son holds the door open for his gf, opens the car door for her etc., but he never does it for his dear old mum...

**imdying** · 25th June 2011, 17:41

Originally Posted by jazfender

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

We make a great team then. It's a bit like saying that gays can be parents... ahhh sorry sunshine, nature has ruled you the fuck out (and probably for a reason).

**Indiana_Jones** · 25th June 2011, 17:49

Originally Posted by PrincessBandit

Oh, and for the record, my 19 y o son holds the door open for his gf, opens the car door for her etc., but he never does it for his dear old mum...

Ah but she's doing something else to time when they're alone in return lol

-Indy

**Mom** · 25th June 2011, 17:50

Any idea how I can get involved with this action?

Bloody funny and could not happen to a nicer bloke.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10734481

Apparently his wife is ok, but his daughter is totally different!

FFS, this is his wife defending him by telling eveyone her daughter has bad periods? He has got to go, if that is his attitude, fucken appalling!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10734147

Last night, Mr Thompson's wife, Joan, stood by her husband of 40 years, saying he was "absolutely not sexist, not a dinosaur, he absolutely believes in equal pay for equal work".

Mrs Thompson said she had never taken sick leave for menstruation, but their daughter was "totally different".

Bet their daughter is well pleased with the pair of them