SlutWalk

[Usarka]

The point is that rape is not to be tolerated.

Fair enough, but how is this protest supposed to change that?


BTW - It's a well known stat that women jurors are more likely to give a not guilty verdict on rape charges.

[Paul in NZ]

Probably the only thing stopping you lot from having soggy biscuit parties is the rampant fear that you might be seen as something other than Tui-drinking, shit-slinging misogynists.

What fucking century are you from, really?

The point is that rape is not to be tolerated. Can you really excuse a rapist if a girl dresses in a manner that is considered attractive to men?

What if she doesn't wear any clothes? She deserved it, right?

Someone who leaves a car unlocked in Mangere might be naive but it is not their FAULT if it is stolen. To say it is shifts the responsibility off the perp in the same way a rapist is no longer responsible because his victim was wearing hotpants.

Sweet jesus - at what point did anyone say they would 'excuse' a rapist if the girl was dressed in an attractive manner? Rape, like all crimes of violence is a terrible thing and with 99% of men you would be perfectly safe walking around stark bollocks naked.

BUT - just like I wouldnt go stand outside the Mongrel Mob HQ with a white is right tee shirt shouting my head off that they are all a bunch of apes I would suggest and dressing like a slut ie sexually provocatively (instead of attractively) in a situation where you could be vunerable or in the presence of the 1% of men who cant be trusted ie in public is a really stupid idea.

Rule 1 of self defence is to not get yourself into dangerous situations in the first place.

Society evolved rules and customs for a good reason. Use some common sense

[jazfender]

Equally you should be able to leave an HSV with the keys in the ignition while you pop into the dairy for a pint of milk but if its stolen the police won´t have any sympathy.

I know, and this is the attitude of society, not just police.

Fair enough, but how is this protest supposed to change that?

BTW - It's a well known stat that women jurors are more likely to give a not guilty verdict on rape charges.

Protests aren't angry mobs looking to lynch, they're designed to apply political pressure, get people talking and to raise awareness.

BTW - so?

Sweet jesus - at what point did anyone say they would 'excuse' a rapist if the girl was dressed in an attractive manner?

The protest was about attitudes towards rape, the justice system's failings and the misguided view that girls "ask for it" by dressing slutty.

To take it at face value (that girls want the right to dress slutty) is missing the point and effectively reinforcing those attitudes. Especially by rubbishing a valid protest.

Rape, like all crimes of violence is a terrible thing and with 99% of men you would be perfectly safe walking around stark bollocks naked.

BUT - just like I wouldnt go stand outside the Mongrel Mob HQ with a white is right tee shirt shouting my head off that they are all a bunch of apes I would suggest and dressing like a slut ie sexually provocatively (instead of attractively) in a situation where you could be vunerable or in the presence of the 1% of men who cant be trusted ie in public is a really stupid idea.

Again I think this is missing the point.

It's not the right to dress slutty, it's the attitude by the police and the public that rape can be the victim's fault.

Telling women to cover themselves up to prevent rape is stupid and misogynistic. Women in burkas are still raped.

For fuck's sake, old women are raped! You (thankfully) don't see them with their tits out.

[Katman]

It's not the right to dress slutty, it's the attitude by the police and the public that rape can be the victim's fault.

So why call it a Slut March?

Had it been called an Anti-Rape March I'm sure it would have received nothing but support.

[jazfender]

So why call it a Slut March?

Had it been called an Anti-Rape March it would have received nothing but support.

If it had been called Anti-Rape March, it would have received nothing but a yawn. Especially amongst young people.

Slut March gets people (especially the media and esteemed KB posters) talking.

[Banditbandit]

[imdying]

the misguided view that girls "ask for it" by dressing slutty.

Yeah, so misguided...



If you think some pissed up ape isn't going to be able to resist, then you're a messed up unit.

[kiwifruit]

Along with a decent diet eh,to be fair i reckon many of our Kentucky fried nation youth are appropiately dressed to ward off even rapistsobesitys disgusting no matter how fucked up you are surely.

Unfortunately obesity is considered normal, natural and even cool in our society.

[Paul in NZ]

I know, and this is the attitude of society, not just police.



Protests aren't angry mobs looking to lynch, they're designed to apply political pressure, get people talking and to raise awareness.

BTW - so?



The protest was about attitudes towards rape, the justice system's failings and the misguided view that girls "ask for it" by dressing slutty.

To take it at face value (that girls want the right to dress slutty) is missing the point and effectively reinforcing those attitudes. Especially by rubbishing a valid protest.



Again I think this is missing the point.

It's not the right to dress slutty, it's the attitude by the police and the public that rape can be the victim's fault.

Telling women to cover themselves up to prevent rape is stupid and misogynistic. Women in burkas are still raped.

For fuck's sake, old women are raped! You (thankfully) don't see them with their tits out.

I cry BULLSHIT!

This came about because ONE cop used the wrong word for the right reasons - "On January 24, 2011 Constable Michael Sanguinetti was a speaker at a York University safety forum, where he was addressing the issue of crime prevention. It was in this context that he commented: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

ie - for the purposes of crime prevention dont draw attention to yourself. This is 100% valid and 100% true. I'd add 'don't get so pissed you are incapacitated'

Rape is a terrible crime and of course no one is blaming the victim, of course I know old women get raped and attacked and of course it makes bugger all difference what you are wearing but thats not how this started.

The point is - someones latched onto it and turned it into something stupid. I mean by all means where what you want when you want BUT be aware that there are people out there who you REALLY dont want to attract.

[jazfender]

If you think some pissed up ape isn't going to be able to resist, then you're a messed up unit.

It's cool man, I expected you to be able to identify with rapists.

I cry BULLSHIT!

This came about because...

Yes, the SlutWalk was in response to what that cop said and yes it was latched on to. The message is still the same.

This of course lends weight to my point that the word "slut" gets people talking, even if unintended like that Canadian guy.

ie - for the purposes of crime prevention dont draw attention to yourself. This is 100% valid and 100% true. I'd add 'don't get so pissed you are incapacitated'

I'd add don't ride a motorcycle if that's how you want to live. Fuck that attitude. That's exactly what they're campaigning against.

The point is - someones latched onto it and turned it into something stupid. I mean by all means where what you want when you want BUT be aware that there are people out there who you REALLY dont want to attract.

Disagree. I think it's a valid statement.

Even if this whole thing was sparked by a fucked up statement from some guy thousands of km's away, it shows there is an anger towards this attitude. A valid anger towards something that shouldn't really be an issue in this day.

[scissorhands]

Would be pretty cool if you could walk around in tight shorts with a big woody on show

[imdying]

It's cool man, I expected you to be able to identify with rapists.

Heh, yeah, identify with, I like that... not too incriminating.

Basically yeah, you're quite right, anybody should be able to walk the streets without getting raped, and yes I should be able to park my bike on the street all night without it getting raped either.

But that shit ain't the truth, and beating up some cop because he manned up and stated the facts just ensures that less people will do it. That'll lead to less education on these sorts of topics, not more.

But rapists will still rape.

[Paul in NZ]

I'd add don't ride a motorcycle if that's how you want to live. Fuck that attitude. That's exactly what they're campaigning against.

Even if this whole thing was sparked by a fucked up statement from some guy thousands of km's away, it shows there is an anger towards this attitude. A valid anger towards something that shouldn't really be an issue in this day.

Jeeze - You are an expert and bringing in utterly non related items. Don't ride a motorcycle? Seriously? Are you mental?

How about dont ride while dressed like a slut? FFS - you ride a bike, you dress accordingly for good reason. If you rode around with total disregard in a miniskirt, heels and no helmet and hurt yourself most of us would roll our eyes up and think 'tosser'... Its the same deal alll through life - go to the wrong place in the wrong or inappropriate clothing and you cannot always expect a good result.

It was originally about risk mitigation and its been turned into some kind of wierd woman lib thing ffs Its pathetic (and the number attending are pretty sad too)

Its the original no cause - why not put that energy into some thing meaningful...

[scissorhands]

Dress like a whore, get treated like a whore... when did that become news?

scissorhands.... nobody gives a fuck about retards but you, stop bleating about them

Are you speaking for everyone now? Many people care for retards, be careful you may have an autistic child....

In regard to this thread, it is extremely relevant. Aspergians do not realise risk when it is present. Many coast through life in a blissful dream state till an ass hole decides to fuck them up for being too open and not guarded enough. Sound familiar?

Rape, women and autism is an extremely close association whether you like it or not.

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I may be a retard but its your reasoning that looks retarded to me

[imdying]

I may be a retard

What's this 'may' shit retard?