SlutWalk

**noobi** · 27th June 2011, 23:55

One would consider that the ones doing the raping are just as likely to rape someone if they are dressed like their asking for it or not.
I dont think its right to say that a person is at fault because when they happened to encounter a rapist they were coming back from a night out or whatever and dressed appropriately for where they were.

Like it has been said, we like to think that there is something wrong with rapists, and that provocatively dressed people ( women especially ) dont turn normal people into rapists.

Although I think there is a kind of culture among some groups of women that because say, 80% of rapists are men, that 80% of men are rapists

**Paul in NZ** · 28th June 2011, 07:44

Originally Posted by jazfender

When a person of authority speaks about a crime in which they are in a position to prevent or protect, one would hope they knew what the fuck they were talking about.

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothing, by said authority figure, they get angry. This is not rocket science.

Thats not what he said..... Plus you are using 'victims' as some kind of panacea to assume that ALL assaults are just random and unprovoked. They are not - just like all motorcycle 'accidents' are not all accidents. Every day I walk to work from the station - I have many many choices which way to walk and our building has two entrances. There is a drop in centre for vagrants out the back near one of them. Aside from the fact the doorway is usually soaked in urine guess which way I come into the building (and I am far from a 6 stone lettuce leaf)? Yes - I choose a route that gives me less chance of aggrivation.

No one is free to do as they please, act as they please or dress as they please all the time because we share the planet with wild animals, disturbed people and evil people. You can weep and wail about your 'rights' all you want but this has never changed. If you really want to advance the cause of womens 'rights' go to Iran or Egypt (or even Italy) - but dont spout about it here because its pointless..

**Katman** · 28th June 2011, 08:48

Originally Posted by jazfender

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothing, by said authority figure, they get angry. This is not rocket science.

It's much the same as motorcycle accidents.

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

**scissorhands** · 28th June 2011, 09:06

cheeky darkie dipshit sluts anyone?

**jaffaonajappa** · 28th June 2011, 09:11

Originally Posted by Katman

It's much the same as motorcycle accidents.

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

This is all well and Good. And quite true.
But that doesnt mean Society should treat either motorcyclists or sluttydressers as stupid/dangerous / second-rate, or rape/accident vicitims in waiting.

Because we live in a society with some farked up people, why should we adjust our own Morals to suit them? Sure, take care and avoid the excessive risks....but dont start driving Volvo wagons, and dont wear tracksuits covering all the curves. please.

**scumdog** · 28th June 2011, 09:33

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

This is all well and Good. And quite true.
But that doesnt mean Society should treat either motorcyclists or sluttydressers as stupid/dangerous / second-rate, or rape/accident vicitims in waiting.

Because we live in a society with some farked up people, why should we adjust our own Morals to suit them? Sure, take care and avoid the excessive risks...

Certain motorcyclists already have a train of thought that (reading between the lines here) non-ATGATT types are more likely to crash and more likely to get injured and both are the fault of said non-ATGATT types...

**jaffaonajappa** · 28th June 2011, 09:35

Originally Posted by scumdog

Certain motorcyclists already have a train of thought that (reading between the lines here) non-ATGATT types are more likely to crash and more likely to get injured and both are the fault of said non-ATGATT types...

yep. Some bikers are thinking like that.....
Most of us I think are a little less judgemental and more open minded.

**Winston001** · 28th June 2011, 09:44

Originally Posted by Katman

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

No one is free to do as they please, act as they please or dress as they please all the time because we share the planet with wild animals, disturbed people and evil people. You can weep and wail about your 'rights' all you want but this has never changed. If you really want to advance the cause of womens 'rights' go to Iran or Egypt (or even Italy) - but dont spout about it here because its pointless..

I respect the wish of any person to dress how they like but that person must also recognise other people may react negatively. My dear old mum would be shocked by the trailer-trash look. In a courtroom it would be regarded as disrespectful.

But ok, no harm is done. The real problem is our primitive psychology. Sluttish clothing tells men the woman wants attention and might be available. Our civilising manners make most men hold back but introduce alcohol drugs partying and the inhibitions fade.

I don't think the danger is rape - thats at the extreme - but unwanted physical handling and assault happens because young women do not understand the risks they are taking. Of course the assault is wrong - but so is robbery and that happens plenty. So minimise the risk.

**Katman** · 28th June 2011, 09:54

Originally Posted by jaffaonajappa

This is all well and Good. And quite true.
But that doesnt mean Society should treat either motorcyclists or sluttydressers as stupid/dangerous / second-rate, or rape/accident vicitims in waiting.

I'm well aware that stupidity isn't a crime.

Perhaps it should be though.

Until then, I guess we'll just have to rely on Darwin to sort society out.

**awayatc** · 28th June 2011, 09:57

don't tell me anybody can seriously disagree with winston...........

**oneofsix** · 28th June 2011, 09:59

Originally Posted by Winston001

I respect the wish of any person to dress how they like but that person must also recognise other people may react negatively. My dear old mum would be shocked by the trailer-trash look. In a courtroom it would be regarded as disrespectful.

But ok, no harm is done. The real problem is our primitive psychology. Sluttish clothing tells men the woman wants attention and might be available. Our civilising manners make most men hold back but introduce alcohol drugs partying and the inhibitions fade.

I don't think the danger is rape - thats at the extreme - but unwanted physical handling and assault happens because young women do not understand the risks they are taking. Of course the assault is wrong - but so is robbery and that happens plenty. So minimise the risk.

The comment was that a woman who dresses provocatively is asking to be raped, that is wrong.

I spotted a sign in the Wellington protest that said "how I dress is none of your business", that is also wrong.

To dress provocatively or slutterly does NOT invite rape but don't blame me if I look and don't blame the drunk guy for trying to pick you up.

**jaffaonajappa** · 28th June 2011, 10:01

Originally Posted by Katman

I'm well aware that stupidity isn't a crime.

Perhaps it should be though.

Until then, I guess we'll just have to rely on Darwin to sort society out.

Im curious, have you installed ABS and traction control on your Katana?

**Katman** · 28th June 2011, 10:06

Originally Posted by oneofsix

The comment was that a woman who dresses provocatively is asking to be raped, that is wrong.

From Paul's post a couple of pages back.......

This came about because ONE cop used the wrong word for the right reasons - "On January 24, 2011 Constable Michael Sanguinetti was a speaker at a York University safety forum, where he was addressing the issue of crime prevention. It was in this context that he commented: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized."

What was said was quite different to what you're suggesting was said.