SlutWalk

[imdying]

When a group of victims are told that they are partly to blame for the offence, based on...nothing

This is opinion again.

However, somebody that could have an opinion on that, based on fact, that actually knows (collects no less) the statistics, suggested that to reduce the chances of getting raped, don't dress like a whore.

You can ignore that all you like, but if you don't make reasonable efforts to reduce your risk then there is direct culpability.

Like riding your bike on bald tyres and falling off in the rain, ignoring the factors you can control just makes you deserving.


Regardless, none of that interests me... people get raped, I'm over that. I don't however think you should shoot the messenger. Given that like me most people don't care enough to do anything, that the stupid bitches attacking the only people that are trying to help just beggars belief.

Dress like a whore, drink way to much piss, stumble home from town, express your presonal freedoms, get raped, I don't care.

[jaffaonajappa]

Dress like a whore, drink way to much piss, stumble home from town, express your presonal freedoms, get raped, I don't care.

/sigh.

I know a shyte load of chick that are doing all of the above, except the getting raped bit.

Deliberately dressed to flirt. Flirt well and drink heeeeps. Have a laff. Hook up sometimes, not 'always' tho. Head home at whatever hour. Live life and enjoy it. Have a blow-out when its needed. Pretty much the same thing as us guys do - when we can.
Yes, theres some basic danger-meter and risk mitigation going on, basic and almost unconscious from what I understand. The primary 'trick' is a buddy system - dont get left behind or be on your own.
None of this should have any bearing on how you want to dress.

Are Bikers the new Conservatives?

[Banditbandit]

Would be pretty cool if you could walk around in tight shorts with a big woody on show

So ... which one can't you do? The tight shorts or the big woody?

Are Bikers the new Conservatives?

Naaaa .. bikers have been conservatives for a very long time .... Remember when Sonny Barger wanted to volunteer the Angles for servide in Vietnam?

[jazfender]

It's much the same as motorcycle accidents.

Regardless of fault or blame, if you purposely ignored factors that could have prevented or lessened the end result, you're pretty fuckin' stupid.

You may lessen male attention but this is the equivalent of trying to aim for straight roads in order to minimise corners and potential danger.

I don't think you should be careless, but that would be in the order of walking down dark alleys at night, not wearing whatever the fuck you like.

This is opinion again.

However, somebody that could have an opinion on that, based on fact, that actually knows (collects no less) the statistics, suggested that to reduce the chances of getting raped, don't dress like a whore.

As above.

Given that like me most people don't care enough to do anything, that the stupid bitches attacking the only people that are trying to help just beggars belief.

They're attacking the methods they are supposedly using to help. Here's a suggestion to help minimize rapes - good policework.

Dress like a whore, drink way to much piss, stumble home from town, express your presonal freedoms, get raped, I don't care.

Guess which one of those things is least likely to get you raped?

[imdying]

They're attacking the methods they are supposedly using to help. Here's a suggestion to help minimize rapes - good policework.

Definitely a piece of the puzzle, totally agree

Question though... is that something you can do to maximise your safety?

Obviously not, you're not a copy, so how about:

- Utilising the buddy system as suggested by jaffaonjaffa?
- Not getting totally shit faced as suggested by scumdog?
- Not walking dark alleys at night as suggested by yourself?
- Not dressing like a target as suggested by the Canadian cop? OR just the bits that suit you?

Or do you not advocate any personal responsibility in this matter?



/edit: Actually scratch that, just don't care. Rape isn't going to go away at the drop of a hat so you're either going to have to get on with the things that'll enable that, or not, I just don't care.

[jazfender]

You may lessen male attention but this is the equivalent of trying to aim for straight roads in order to minimise corners and potential danger.

Actually, scratch that. It's the equivalent of wearing all black so cops won't see you.

[jazfender]

Or do you not advocate any personal responsibility in this matter?

The only responsibility on a potential "target" is to let the approacher know that they do not want to have sex with them.

All other responsibility is squarely on the rapist.

[imdying]

All other responsibility is squarely on the rapist.

Good luck with that

[jazfender]

I wonder what tips the Canadian police force has for males to avoid getting raped?

[oneofsix]

I wonder what tips the Canadian police force has for males to avoid getting raped?

might upset certain groups if they were to suggest not dressing in leather chaps

[Winston001]

They're attacking the methods they are supposedly using to help. Here's a suggestion to help minimize rapes - good policework.

Yeah its a nice idea but to prevent all crime each of us would need her/his personal police officer. In the absence of that, manage the risk. Lock your door. Don't leave you purse/wallet in a public place. Don't write down your PIN number. Don't be alone if you are wearing sexy clothes.

Honestly, the whole public discussion has gone sideways and derailed. The original words were spoken by a police constable at a student's safety seminar. The guy was trying to give real life advice, not engage in anti-feminism.

Put aside rape. Its rare - and usually happens with people who know each other. His message was to avoid being victimised. Touched up. Squeezed. Grabbed. Forceably kissed. Nasty invasive stuff and it is very very common.

Look - if young girls (even my daughters) want to dress like tramps and all go to a Britany Spears or Miley Cyrus concert - all power to them. Enjoy themselves. But I'm going to be there to drive them home because out on the street alone...anything can happen.

[jazfender]

To dress provocatively or slutterly does NOT invite rape but don't blame me if I look and don't blame the drunk guy for trying to pick you up.

It might be worthwhile to distinguish between drunk guy and rapist.

Put aside rape. Its rare - and usually happens with people who know each other. His message was to avoid being victimised. Touched up. Squeezed. Grabbed. Forceably kissed. Nasty invasive stuff and it is very very common.

Not rare enough to be statistically insignificant. You can put it aside if you want.

The other part of this whole thing is the fact that he is perpetuating the stereotype of a sexually liberated female as being something negative or undesirable. Even further than that, he is associating it with violence!

The word slut has strong negative connotations and is used mainly by wound-up old men who have not adjusted to the feminist movement. Or worse, jealous dudes that aren't getting any.

This especially rings when there is no male equivalent word and no equivalent negative connotations.

"Slut" is the "Nigger" of the feminist movement.

[Maha]

It might be worthwhile to distinguish between drunk guy and rapist.

...clue: one of them wont puke on your shoes.

[jaffaonajappa]

...clue: one of them wont puke on your shoes.

they both make a mess on the floor tho.

[jaffaonajappa]

Look - if young girls (even my daughters) want to dress like tramps and all go to a Britany Spears or Miley Cyrus concert - all power to them. Enjoy themselves. But I'm going to be there to drive them home because out on the street alone...anything can happen.

+1
Same here.
common sense, wisdom coupled with some reality.