Mugello — il Gran Premio d'Italia!

**discotex** · 2nd July 2011, 22:48

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Regardless...I'm stoked to see him and Yamaha back there where they belong. This could be the race of the season so far if the rain stays away.

+1

How much is the TAB paying if Simo actually completes the race?

**merv** · 3rd July 2011, 00:01

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Regardless...I'm stoked to see him and Yamaha back there where they belong. This could be the race of the season so far if the rain stays away.

Sssshhhhhhh - don't let your boyfriend Casey hear you talking like that

**DidJit** · 3rd July 2011, 09:26

Casey smashed the lap record, Spies spoiled the Honda qualifying party, and Vale's none too happy...

Edit: Julian Ryder is on form.

**RobGassit** · 3rd July 2011, 09:46

Can anyone explain to me why a young Australian was able to deliver wins and a Championship with the Ducati but the Italian goat can't get on the front row? He has changed everything but the chassis and the heated handlebar grips but still struggling. If Hayden beats him at Mugello I think he should think about retirement. If a customer Ducati beats him he should hang himself in his trailer. No offence people,,I'm just sayin!!

**merv** · 3rd July 2011, 10:07

Isn't the problem that Ducati changed the chassis drastically after Casey's championship win?

**macka77** · 3rd July 2011, 10:17

Who will Sic take out this weekend?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 3rd July 2011, 10:30

Originally Posted by merv

Isn't the problem that Ducati changed the chassis drastically after Casey's championship win?

Think it was only last year they went to the carbon frame Merv.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 3rd July 2011, 10:31

Originally Posted by merv

Sssshhhhhhh - don't let your boyfriend Casey hear you talking like that

I've got many boyfriends in Moto GP Merv! I'm only too happy to give credit where it's due...doesn't matter who!

**Shaun** · 3rd July 2011, 10:52

Credit were it is due? Ducati built a crap carbon frame ( Bad problems ala Britten motorcycle) onda yam improved bikes a lot, freser riders are prepared to ride fast and biff, rossi know,s it takes time

My lap top is FUKD

**RobGassit** · 3rd July 2011, 10:59

Originally Posted by Shaun

Credit were it is due? Ducati built a crap carbon frame ( Bad problems ala Britten motorcycle) onda yam improved bikes a lot, freser riders are prepared to ride fast and biff, rossi know,s it takes time

My lap top is FUKD

Stop typing with your feet.

**Shaun** · 3rd July 2011, 11:35

Originally Posted by RobGassit

Stop typing with your feet.

maybe dat is wot f;d it, must sell some tin to buy a new 1, wow, kids txt type style

**pritch** · 3rd July 2011, 11:38

Originally Posted by RobGassit

Can anyone explain to me why a young Australian was able to deliver wins and a Championship with the Ducati but the Italian goat can't get on the front row? He has changed everything but the chassis and the heated handlebar grips but still struggling.

This has all been discussed at length. Sometimes even by people who presumably know that of which they speak?

There are some authoritative sources around and these are quite often referred to hereabout, including in this thread.

My favourite is http://www.motomatters.com/

A newer site is http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/
Well, the English version is new...

There are others, and some of the riders (and at least one mechanic) have facebook or twitter pages but these do tend to be somewhat sanitised(?).

To answer part of your question; the bike Stoner won his title on was completely different bike and was able to be ridden successfully by other people, notably Capirossi and Bayliss. In recent years the Ducati has pretty much been a career killer for everybody except Stoner.

Rossi, Burgess, etc are trying to make the bike more rideable, the more problems they encounter, the more apparent it becomes what a great job Stoner was doing.

Rossi desperately needs track time to develop the new bike but the shite weather of recent weeks culminating in last nights qualifying farce isn't helping. Neither is the fact that Ducati are running into trouble with their engine allocation numbers and may have to start some races from pit lane before the season is over.

We await developments with interest.

**BMWST?** · 3rd July 2011, 12:01

They were all out there running laps,seems Casey got the timing of his run just right.It was alternating tween dovi,lorenzo,simo and stoner,with crutchlow, spies having a turn at the top.It started to rain with about 20 minutes to go so they all went in.Rossi and Hayden came out on the end on wets to keep the fans happy,then a few of the other guys came out on wets too.

1 27 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 322.3 1'48.034
2 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 319.2 1'48.479 0.445 / 0.445
3 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 321.0 1'48.485 0.451 / 0.006
4 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Repsol Honda Team Honda 324.8 1'48.694 0.660 / 0.209
5 1 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 323.1 1'48.756 0.722 / 0.062
6 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 314.9 1'48.974 0.940 / 0.218
7 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 318.9 1'49.021 0.987 / 0.047
8 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 317.9 1'49.398 1.364 / 0.377
9 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 320.5 1'49.509 1.475 / 0.111
10 8 Hector BARBERA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team MotoGP Ducati 327.2 1'49.663 1.629 / 0.154
11 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 323.8 1'49.678 1.644 / 0.015
12 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 320.7 1'49.902 1.868 / 0.224
13 7 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 322.7 1'50.156 2.122 / 0.254
14 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 322.1 1'50.460 2.426 / 0.304
15 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Pramac Racing Team Ducati 320.0 1'50.651 2.617 / 0.191
16 24 Toni ELIAS SPA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 324.2 1'50.742 2.708 / 0.091
Weather Conditions:
| Track Condition: Wet| Air: 21º| Humidity: 44%| Ground: 28º

**BMWST?** · 3rd July 2011, 12:06

Originally Posted by pritch

This has all been discussed at length. Sometimes even by people who presumably know that of which they speak?

There are some authoritative sources around and these are quite often referred to hereabout, including in this thread.

My favourite is http://www.motomatters.com/

A newer site is http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/
Well, the English version is new...

There are others, and some of the riders (and at least one mechanic) have facebook or twitter pages but these do tend to be somewhat sanitised(?).

To answer part of your question; the bike Stoner won his title on was completely different bike and was able to be ridden successfully by other people, notably Capirossi and Bayliss. In recent years the Ducati has pretty much been a career killer for everybody except Stoner.

Rossi, Burgess, etc are trying to make the bike more rideable, the more problems they encounter, the more apparent it becomes what a great job Stoner was doing.

Rossi desperately needs track time to develop the new bike but the shite weather of recent weeks culminating in last nights qualifying farce isn't helping. Neither is the fact that Ducati are running into trouble with their engine allocation numbers and may have to start some races from pit lane before the season is over.

We await developments with interest.

the lack of practise time is really hurting them.Apart from a few flashes in the pan i dont think we will see much of Mr Rossi this year.This is for two reasons.As well as the problems with the bike(s) I think he is marginally slower and there are some genuinely faster(or as fast)younger guys(and bikes)