Motorcycles to use bike advanced stop zones - we hope

[mrchips]

Advanced stop boxes are now being installed in Wellytown, locations as per Yippee Ki-Yay, Mother Russia

in short... "Wellington City Council has marked roads at traffic lights so cyclists can stop at lights ahead of other vehicles... Motorists need to stop further back and be prepared for cyclists moving forward to the front of the traffic queue."

Dom post Info here..

Would it be legal for motorcycles to position themselves inside these 'stop boxes'

Please discuss.

I think i'll give WCC a call tomorow.

[Berries]

Erm, no. They are cycle boxes.

[awayatc]

sidewalk....?
am pedestrian since birth

[GrayWolf]

Call me a bloody old Cynic, but,,,,
Can see how this is going to 'pan out' already..
1) cyclists lane filtering/splitting to get to the 'box'... we'll end up with them 'stuck between' the rows of cars, further impeding the traffic movement from the lights
2) of course the cars 'stuck' behind the slow moving cyclists in rush hour(s) will be patient, curteous they wont tailgate, try to overtake, force said bikes towards the kerb, OR try to force their way into the outside lane(s)..
3) Said Cyclists of course will also be traffic minded, and not ride 2-3-4 abreast, perform the usual cyclist behaviour of just diving out around parked cars etc without any form of mirror, head check, or indication


it's going to end up with pissed off motorists, who are going to get aggressive, and snotty attitude cyclists who think they own the road??

OH bugger quick, get em to join KB, they'll fit right in here !!!!

[Icemaestro]

They have them already on the shore, I use them every day :-P I like to think I'm helping congestion, not taking up a car space, plus I take off faster than anything else in the queue

[90s]

There are many of these 'boxes' in Auckand, and I have been using them both as a cyclist and motorcyclist for years. I used them in London for years before that.

As a cyclist being at the front is an advantage, and I have never found it to be a problem with traffic. Unless a cage is trying to do a 5 sec 0-60 as a cyclist I am faster over the first 10m which is all I need to pull to the side. It always suprises me how many motorbikers dislike cyclists, when I have found being a cyclist has improved my biking a lot. Riding the same road on a cycle, motorbike and car lets you see all the issues from all the angles. At least I can see why everyone hates everyone else ...

As a motorbiker the stop zones are a great advantage, and I assumed that it was OK to be in this space. We can share bus lanes zoned for cycles in Auckland and also therefore the bus/cycle boxes. Or you would have a situarion when being in the 'green' lane would be legal util you got to a lights. I would have thought. Its in trafficks interest to have us in front, where we move faster than they move, and not making the queue longer.

[Hoon]

Same they've been on Lincoln Rd, West Auckland for sometime now and I use them everyday as well. Instead of filtering between lanes now I can just approach the intersection in the wrong lane and then cut in front of the correct lane using the box. I also cycle but the boxes haven't really been that beneficial for me as I usually stick to the kerb anyway instead of hogging the whole lane.

[Gremlin]

Don't forget that some cars are incapable of stopping before the green box, and park in it instead... much the same way they don't stop behind the normal white lines at intersections.... (bit of a pet hate)...

[kinger]

Its in trafficks interest to have us in front, where we move faster than they move, and not making the queue longer.

That's a wonderfully self deluded thought. Of course everyone will be delayed behind you, even slightly. You then have the same knock on effect of a crash on the M4 where the whole scene is cleared up and it stil concertinas back.

[Swoop]

If a car's brakes are that bad that they cannot stop before to green box, fuck em.
Happily filter to the front and still park in front of their bonnet. The knob-gobblers shouldn't try and run the effin' red light in the first place.

[Hoon]

That's a wonderfully self deluded thought. Of course everyone will be delayed behind you, even slightly. You then have the same knock on effect of a crash on the M4 where the whole scene is cleared up and it stil concertinas back.

Dude that is equally just as deluded. Unless it was your intention to propose a similarly fanciful scenario but from the extreme opposite side of the spectrum to illustrate your point.

[bogan]

As a cyclist being at the front is an advantage, and I have never found it to be a problem with traffic. Unless a cage is trying to do a 5 sec 0-60 as a cyclist I am faster over the first 10m which is all I need to pull to the side.

I still don't get why cycles can't just start on the side, are the boxes there for turning right or left or something? Seem stupid to put the slow vehicles in the front of the queue if all are just going straight ahead anyway...

[superjackal]

Won't work..... stupid cagers would just pull forward into the cycle box.

Was on a dual lane road today and BOTH the cagers in front were in the pedestrian cross area.

Coming to work this morning some knob-end cager in a suped-up Forrester sped up as I went to undertake him. What's with that? My bad?

Idiot. We just pass them later.

[Devil]

Coming to work this morning some knob-end cager in a suped-up Forrester sped up as I went to undertake him. What's with that? My bad?

Idiot. We just pass them later.

I think I found your problem.

[Hoon]

I still don't get why cycles can't just start on the side, are the boxes there for turning right or left or something?

Just having a stab here - this is based on my own experience as a cyclist and the close calls I've had.

1. Situations where the cyclist is going straight ahead but the adjacent vehicle is turning left. Common sense would have you believe that when the lights turn green the vehicle would wait until the cyclist has cleared the intersection before turning left but what often happens is that the vehicle will attempt to launch out in front and then turn left across the path of the cyclist.

2. When starting on the side of a vehicle (both parties going straight ahead), the driver of the vehicle sometimes doesn't notice the cyclist, or after moving into the intersection doesn't realise that a cyclist has entered the area to the left of their vehicle. That driver then fails to ensure there is adequate space for the cyclist (1.2m?) and inadvertantly sends them into the kerb and under their wheels.

So to me it seems the green box solution they've opted for solves the above by (1) dominating the lane until across the intersection and (2) ensure all vehicles are aware of the cyclist's presence while passing through the intersection.

Ohh and just to state the obvious (to most but maybe not all), the intention is that upon exiting the intersection the cyclist takes up their normal spot on the hard left of the lane.