How do you practise emergency braking?

[baffa]

I have to say I have practiced slowing quickly, but the only times I have truely practiced emergency braking has been when people pull out in front of me, and I have discovered how quickly I can stop. Which is pretty quickly I have to say!

What surprised me is how comfortable the bike feels with the tail skidding and wagging and the front doing it's best impersonation of a nosedive.

The way I have always braked in cars, and now in bikes, is even when I need to brake suddenly, I never slam the brakes, always pull them firmly then increase pressure as required. This is mostly due to learning to drive in small shtboxes with no abs, and learning the dangers of simply grabbing/stomping the brakes.

Even if you have abs in a car or on a bike I think progressive braking is crucial. Even ignoring the possibility that the ABS unit could fail, braking severely enough to break traction or induce abs, is going to your brakes less effective.

[slofox]

My drill, on a quiet road, is to stop from 100kmh in less than two white road markers.

Shouldn't you be able to do it in less than two METRES? I'm sure there was someone here who could do that...

[James Deuce]

I can do it one metre, drunk, wearing a traffic cone for a helmet and riding an A100.

Easy.

[Metastable]

Is it possible for any of these ABS systems to fail/fault while the bike is in use? They must have some form of fail safe, right?

Well just read today in Superbike mag that the journo was getting serious brake fade at the track on the CBR1000 ABS equipped bike. Mind you yes it was at the track, not the road.

[Metastable]

Shouldn't you be able to do it in less than two METRES? I'm sure there was someone here who could do that...

A wall might help with that.

[Hitcher]

Well just read today in Superbike mag that the journo was getting serious brake fade at the track on the CBR1000 ABS equipped bike. Mind you yes it was at the track, not the road.

Fade in such circumstances has got nothing to do with the ABS. Brakes still wear and overheat, ABS or no ABS. All ABS is doing is providing a means of stopping brakes locking up.

[sinned]

My drill, on a quiet road, is to stop from 100kmh in less than two white road markers. Now, thanks to Mr Suzuki's most excellent ABS, I can do this comfortably, wet or dry.

I must try that. Is there a set distance between the white markers and is that consistently applied? What is the distance?

[James Deuce]

I must try that. Is there a set distance between the white markers and is that consistently applied? What is the distance?

Section 5.05.05 of this document.

For those that didn't click on the word "this": http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/mo...-section-5.pdf

To summarise, if the road is straight they're 100m apart.

If it curves, even slightly, they're all over the place.

[marty]

My drill, on a quiet road, is to stop from 100kmh in less than two white road markers. Now, thanks to Mr Suzuki's most excellent ABS, I can do this comfortably, wet or dry.

do you still practice with cars reversing towards you?

[Hitcher]

do you still practice with cars reversing towards you?

Hopefully that was a oncer. I am consequently hyper-vigilant about what the rear indicators of vehicles are telling me. That took a bit of extra attention riding in the USA where orange flashing indicators on the rear of vehicles are a bit of a novelty.

[sinned]

Section 5.05.05 of this document.

For those that didn't click on the word "this": http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/mo...-section-5.pdf

To summarise, if the road is straight they're 100m apart.

If it curves, even slightly, they're all over the place.

Thanks James D - that doc is for posts; center markings are in section 2. The painted strip is 3m and 7m gap between. So Hitcher can stop in 20M? Not sure if that is good? Not as quick as DBs 2M

[James Deuce]

Thanks James D - that doc is for posts; center markings are in section 2. The painted strip is 3m and 7m gap between. So Hitcher can stop in 20M? Not sure if that is good? Not as quick as DBs 2M

He's talking about the posts, mm mm Kay?

Anyway, last time I ever go digging traffic regs out. You guys stick with common belief in future.

[sinned]

He's talking about the posts, mm mm Kay?

Anyway, last time I ever go digging traffic regs out. You guys stick with common belief in future.

I hope you are not having a hissy fit?

[James Deuce]

I hope you are not having a hissy fit?

Yes, yes I am.

[Metastable]

Fade in such circumstances has got nothing to do with the ABS. Brakes still wear and overheat, ABS or no ABS. All ABS is doing is providing a means of stopping brakes locking up.

That's what I would think too, except that's explicitly what the writer said happened and it DIDN'T with the non-ABS bike. He also went on to mention that on the CBR600RR, it wasn't as noticeable on the ABS bike as opposed to the non-ABS bike, but it was still there.

Don't shoot the messenger.... you can read it for yourself. I was reading the 600 test. It is probably the mag that is on the news stands right now.
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