Burqa

[007XX]

Of course not
I might just go destroy my broadband allowance looking at silly rubbish.

At your age, I was too busy chasing live game

us too. mmmmhmmmmm

My, mr HDC... you might make a girl blush, be careful!

indded. Not only freedom OF religion, but separation of Church and State, and freedom FROM religion as well.


I do have a dearly held view that all religion is oppression, however.

Bravo!! Very well said.

Wearing shorts etc, who cares it's not illegal and you can wear what you want as far as I'm concerned. There are no bank rules stating you must not wear shorts (though you're probably not allowed in wearing a gang patch).

The acid test for me is "would you, me, or rangi be allowed to walk around in public in the same attire". I suspect not.




Stink I thought that was going to be pr0n.

[Elysium]

As far as I know, the Burqa is not traditional Islamic custom, in fact they wore less centries ago. Like some people have said, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" Funny how Western customs are not tolorated over there.

[superman]

As far as I know, the Burqa is not traditional Islamic custom, in fact they wore less centries ago. Like some people have said, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" Funny how Western customs are not tolorated over there.

So you think we should behave the same to other cultures as an archaic middle-eastern country?

The Islamic texts tell people to dress modestly.

Those who harass believing men and believing women undeservedly, bear (on themselves) a calumny and a grievous sin. O Prophet! Enjoin your wives, your daughters, and the wives of true believers that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): That is most convenient, that they may be distinguished and not be harassed. [...] (Qur'an 33:58–59)

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their khimar over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to [...] (Qur'an 24:31)

The Burqa nicely follows these verses... just like not having women priests follows biblical verses for the Catholics.

So pretty much everyone is stupid... but we should allow people to be stupid if it doesn't directly affect us. Seeing a women in a burqa (150 in 45,000 Muslim women in NZ wear one) is rare, and hardly offensive. There are far more pressing matters to worry about than someone's clothing. Should I be offended at Hindu's headgear which could hide a bomb... or Hindu's knives that they carry... or that Hindu's can ride motorcycles without helmets?

[Virago]

...So pretty much everyone is stupid... but we should allow people to be stupid if it doesn't directly affect us. Seeing a women in a burqa (150 in 45,000 Muslim women in NZ wear one) is rare, and hardly offensive. There are far more pressing matters to worry about than someone's clothing...

That's it. Right there.

[Usarka]

So am I allowed to wear a ski mask then?

[Kickaha]

So am I allowed to wear a ski mask then?

Go for it, let us know how you get on with your first visit to a bank

[superman]

So am I allowed to wear a ski mask then?

Start a ski mask wearing religion that has over a billion followers and go for it.

[MSTRS:Me]

Seeing a women in a burqa (150 in 45,000 Muslim women in NZ wear one) is rare, and hardly offensive.

10 years ago, there were none. How many in another 10 years?
Muslims are not backward about demanding their rights. That is the problem. We all paid for a special chapel (or something) to be built at a ChCh school so they would have somewhere just for their kids to attend a mosque during school. And this in a country that deems it offensive to teach Christian-type stuff in school. Try wearing a symbol of your faith (should you have one), like a cross on a chain, in school and see how long you'll be allowed to keep wearing it. But Muslims are accommodated.
This is already changing how our society operates (and looks). And it's just early days yet.

[superman]

10 years ago, there were none. How many in another 10 years?
Muslims are not backward about demanding their rights. That is the problem. We all paid for a special chapel (or something) to be built at a ChCh school so they would have somewhere just for their kids to attend a mosque during school. And this in a country that deems it offensive to teach Christian-type stuff in school. Try wearing a symbol of your faith (should you have one), like a cross on a chain, in school and see how long you'll be allowed to keep wearing it. But Muslims are accommodated.
This is already changing how our society operates (and looks). And it's just early days yet.

Are you scared that there will be more? Why does it matter if there will be more?

You are allowed to wear cross on a chain here if it is your religious belief, most schools don't allow jewellery anyway so they don't even have to worry about it. Not being allowed to pray at school? would that be better? And it's a schools decision to build a mosque, universities just have a tiny prayer room which is enough. That school obviously was trying to get in all that Islamic moolah! If an Islamic had the choice between the school with a mosque and without you are sorted.

[007XX]

10 years ago, there were none. How many in another 10 years?
Muslims are not backward about demanding their rights. That is the problem. We all paid for a special chapel (or something) to be built at a ChCh school so they would have somewhere just for their kids to attend a mosque during school. And this in a country that deems it offensive to teach Christian-type stuff in school. Try wearing a symbol of your faith (should you have one), like a cross on a chain, in school and see how long you'll be allowed to keep wearing it. But Muslims are accommodated.
This is already changing how our society operates (and looks). And it's just early days yet.

Ok, I'm not hellbent on being the Devil's advocate here, but can only base my view on what I have seen so far in the three different schools my 13 y old has attended in Auckland:

1- Pastoral care is available with parental permission. It is neither offensive nor forced upon anyone. I personally chose to sign my son out of that option, but other parents I know took that option freely and were satisfied with the service provided. An area of the school is adapted for such teachings, with a separate couple of hours a week alloted, over and above the usual curriculum assigned to the whole student body.

2- ANY jewellery other than a watch is not allowed, be it a cross or the star of David or a crescent moon. I'm not sure how you see muslims more accomodated in this situation, sorry. I can link you through to the rules and regulations of those three schools if you wish?

Maybe the school in Napier have a slight mismanagement in that area?

[MSTRS:Me]

I am saying that it is early days yet. But the signs are there. And it won't be long before there are demands for laws that 'suit' these people.
NZ does not have the balls to say "If you come here to live, THIS is how it is and will be. If you don't like it, then fuck off back to where you came from".

[MSTRS:Me]

Maybe the school in Napier have a slight mismanagement in that area?

I don't know about that. But there are quite few high schools that have Muslim students and the girls all wear head scarves. That is a visual sign of their faith/culture and I am saying that Christian signs are not allowed. It is a double standard in that respect.

[Usarka]

It is a double standard in that respect.

I completely agree.

Is there any one in the church that has some balls that aren't being sucked by an altar boy that could stir up some shit about this?

[superman]

I am saying that it is early days yet. But the signs are there. And it won't be long before there are demands for laws that 'suit' these people.
NZ does not have the balls to say "If you come here to live, THIS is how it is and will be. If you don't like it, then fuck off back to where you came from".

Because they come from such nice places...

And lots of them are born here New Zealanders now, why encroach upon them? Where will they "fuck off" back to?

[superman]

I don't know about that. But there are quite few high schools that have Muslim students and the girls all wear head scarves. That is a visual sign of their faith/culture and I am saying that Christian signs are not allowed. It is a double standard in that respect.

Their faith requires it though... No Christian thinks that they should be wearing something and if they aren't they are committing sin?