Radler beer by style, but not name

[shrub]

I've emailed DB as well, plus joined the "Boycott DB" page on farcebook.

Since I discovered actual beer a few years ago I have very rarely purchased from the big 2. But now I will never buy a DB product or go to a DB bar. No loss.

www.soba.org.nz

Oh yeah, Radler is a shandy, right? beer with lemonade? So its a mixed drink, like say a martini? How do the people that own the Martini brand of vermouth get on? they dont go round bars going "Oi, NO you can't make a martini (all James Bond stylez) unless you pour it out of one of our bottles!"

serious question

A very good question.

As for boycotting DB - I will do it. I shall also voluntarily boycott Lion Nathan and will henceforth only drink beer brewed by Stoke, Epic, Harringtons, Tuatara, Matsons, Number 8, Three Boys, Kaimai Brewing Company, Green man, Rennaisance, Mussel Inn, twisted Hop, Brew Moon, Croucher, Moa, Mikes brewing COmpany, Wigram Brewing Company, Yeastie Boys....

My options are limited and it will be a sacrifice having to forgo the pleasures of Tui, DB, Speights and the like, but sometimes one has to stand up for something even if there is a huge personal cost. I had better head down to the local Fresh Choice and start stocking up.

[Usarka]

Mussel Inn - are they near Nelson or Mot somewhere? I had an awesome session one afternoon at a cool boozer near nelson called teh abbey (i think) and was seriously enjoying some of their beer but can't find it in aucks without paying $$$$$ to ship it up.

+1 for the boycott.

+1 for the real breweries.

+1 for the homebrew.

[ajturbo]

A very good question.

As for boycotting DB - I will do it. I shall also voluntarily boycott Lion Nathan and will henceforth only drink beer brewed by Stoke, Epic, Harringtons, Tuatara, Matsons, Number 8, Three Boys, Kaimai Brewing Company, Green man, Rennaisance, Mussel Inn, twisted Hop, Brew Moon, Croucher, Moa, Mikes brewing COmpany, Wigram Brewing Company, Yeastie Boys....

think you will be shit faced by lunch time though

[slofox]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up. I also told them why and invited them to have sex and travel. They didn't bother to reply funnily enough...

The IPO should be collectively shot for this bullshit decision. Fucking farcical.

[shrub]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up. I also told them why and invited them to have sex and travel. They didn't bother to reply funnily enough...

The IPO should be collectively shot for this bullshit decision. Fucking farcical.

Nice work!

[Swoop]

I have refused to stock DB products in my store since this first blew up.

Do you have a notice on your shop window explaining to customers why? It might help others understand and boycott this bully-boy bunch of bastards.

[bungbung]

I run a bar at my place of work, my customers are 50% foreign diplomats.
They have to choose from a mixture of Emerson's, Epic, Yeastie Boys, Moa, Tuatara.
I like to think it's doing my bit for the local economy.

[MisterD]

+1 for the boycott.

How much would it cost to print up a few thousand stickers saying "Lager & Lime" in big red letters, then hit selected supermarkets en masse and re-label all the "Radler" on the shelf?

Much more fun than just a boycott...

[slofox]

Do you have a notice on your shop window explaining to customers why? It might help others understand and boycott this bully-boy bunch of bastards.

Whilst I don't have a notice in the window, I do go to some lengths to tell people what I am doing and why.

Incidentally, I am not alone in this boycott - there are quite a few independent retailers who have organised this.

[Usarka]

Moutere Brewery is trying to trademark the name Shandy as a two-fingered salute to DB and the Intellectual Property Office.

Be interesting to see if iponz will make the same decision that they did with Radler now that there are no backhanders involved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...er-beer-battle

[HenryDorsetCase]

How much would it cost to print up a few thousand stickers saying "Lager & Lime" in big red letters, then hit selected supermarkets en masse and re-label all the "Radler" on the shelf?

Much more fun than just a boycott...

I am in for a hundy to help with printing cost.

[Indiana_Jones]

Moutere Brewery is trying to trademark the name Shandy as a two-fingered salute to DB and the Intellectual Property Office.

Be interesting to see if iponz will make the same decision that they did with Radler now that there are no backhanders involved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...er-beer-battle

Good on 'em

All DB has done is given me more insentive to keep buying my English beers and mking homebrew

-Indy

[pete376403]

reply from iponz
Thank you for your feedback to IPONZ regarding the Radler decision. We note your concerns relating to a complex area of the law. This can be seen from the decision in this matter, which is available at http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZIPOTM/2011/19.html. The issues discussed in the decision centred around whether the term 'Radler' was known as a descriptive term in New Zealand when the trade mark was granted in 2003. The Assistant Commissioner found there was no persuasive evidence to prove that 8 years ago when IPONZ granted the trade mark that the term Radler was understood more broadly in New Zealand as a beer style. There has been a lot of suggestion that this could lead to terms like “pilsner” or “lager” being trade marked. This is entirely incorrect in that these are currently well known terms in New Zealand.
It is not appropriate for us to comment further on the decision of the Assistant Commissioner in that it relates to more than one party who sit on either side of this matter, and the decision is still subject to a right of appeal. It should be noted that should one of the parties feel aggrieved by the decision they may exercise this right. It is not open to the Commissioner to bypass this process.
If you would like to know more about the registration process for trade marks, please follow this link – http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/trade-marks.



I trust that this has answered your question and has provided some context to the issues in this matter.



IPONZ

[avgas]

Bunch of Alcoholics.
I actually think the whole case is a bunch of Hogwash. Why didn't Green Man just come up with a better name at the start?
Radler is not exactly a great name to start with. Fuck knows how DB makes money off it.

Oh wait that is because the beer is tasty.........

and you lot get your knickers in a twist over a name. Fucks sake, they could call it Drainlayers Larger (great drop by the way) and so long as it tasted good I would drink it.
Why this went to court is a dumb decision on both DB and Green Man. Either could have made more money by simply changing the name to something better.

[Usarka]

Because it's a style of beer - it's like saying only DB can use the word Lager.

On the news Fonterra have just trademarked the word Vintage so no other cheese makers can use it.

Lobbying, corruption or stupidity (or all three) is alive and well in iponz by the looks.