Who will win the 2011 election?

[Shadowjack]

Why do Anarchists only drink herbal tea?
Because property is theft ..

So, it took a while (it is a Friday), but....

[shrub]

you cant debate the green looney policies

It's very hard to debate anything with the kind of semi-literate people who hate everyone from Somalia for the sole reason that they're from Somalia and debating green policies with someone who doesn't even know what they are is completely pointless - I might as well enter into debate with my dog. No, with you I prefer to amuse myself by making you jump and chirrup like a tame monkey when I'm bored or need distracting. And you do that spectacularly well.

[Quasievil]

Actually I can, very well, but I don't waste my time with the kind of semi-literate people who hate everyone from Somalia for the sole reason that they're from Somalia - how can I expect someone like that to use logic and reason in a debate based on verifiable and valid data? Hell, you don't even know what the Green party's policies are so what makes you think you can debate them? No, with you I prefer to amuse myself by making you jump and chirrup like a tame monkey when I'm bored or need distracting. And you do that spectacularly well.

what only more blab blab ?

[Banditbandit]

what only more blab blab ?

I thought you were leaving us to it?

[Swoop]

the greens are loonies

It was stated, a few years back, that with the collapse of communism that the reds simply became green.

It gave them a new purpose in life.

[Quasievil]

I thought you were leaving us to it?

Yup the greens can have it.

[shrub]

It was stated, a few years back, that with the collapse of communism that the reds simply became green.

It gave them a new purpose in life.

It was also stated a few years back that by the year 2000 we would be having holidays on the moon.

You demonstrate one of the reasons it is absolutely futile to even attempt to discuss politics on these threads - you have absolutely no idea of even the most basic tenets of modern political thought.

For a start, communism is a concept that has a huge number of different interpretations – anarcho-communism, Marxism, Leninism, trotskysim, euro-communism, eco-communism etc – do you know the difference between them? Do you even know the basic principles of communism as laid out by Marx and Engels in A Communist Manifesto? My guess is you have adopted a construct that is primarily based on the fear of losing freedom and property rights and worst of all, paying more in taxes - the reds under the bed construct created to justify the cold war.

Green political ideology is actually almost diametrically opposed from most interpretations of communism and the Green party are completely committed to individual property rights and fundamental to their long term vision is for as many New Zealanders as possible to own their own homes and to have capital available for investment. Their policies also strongly support New Zealand ownership of business and to place limits on foreign multinationals setting up shop here, including (especially?) companies owned by foreign communist governments. In other words the Greens prefer the idea of people like you and I working for ourselves and creating our own opportunities to you and I working for a foreign company.

They are staunch about individual freedom; freedom to express a contradictory political view, freedom to protest and freedom to participate in and influence the political process are absolutely fundamental to Green ideologies. How does that compare with any face of communism we have seen?

The question I have for you is the same one I had for Quasi – have you read the Green policies, and if so, have you also read the policies for the other significant parties?

[Quasievil]

Dont answer him Swoop, he cant go any deeper than that so discussion is pointless

[shrub]

Dont answer him Swoop, he cant go any deeper than that so discussion is pointless

what only more blab blab ?

No, you don't want him to answer because you haven't a clue what i said and if he answered seriously the discussion would be pointless to you because it would be so far over your head we might as well be talking in swahili.

[Banditbandit]

Dont answer him Swoop, he cant go any deeper than that so discussion is pointless

So ... by deep do you mean the discussion about what is most important in your weltanschuaang? 1) The structural heirachy humans have developed around the symbols of their value-exchange tokens or 2) the quality of the physical environment in which they lead their lives and its ability to sustain that life?

[Quasievil]

No, you don't want him to answer because you haven't a clue what i said and if he answered seriously the discussion would be pointless to you because it would be so far over your head we might as well be talking in swahili.

err you actually havent said anything yet.

[Quasievil]

So ... by deep do you mean the discussion about what is most important in your weltanschuaang? 1) The structural heirachy humans have developed around the symbols of their value-exchange tokens or 2) the quality of the physical environment in which they lead their lives and its ability to sustain that life?

You decide, if its green it will be bad.

[Banditbandit]

err you actually havent said anything yet.

So talk to me ... You haven't responded at all ...

I have an idea ...

[shrub]

err you actually havent said anything yet.

no, I haven't said anything you understand. How's this:

Those bloody greens are all a pack of communist bastards who want to tax you.

[Banditbandit]

You decide, if its green it will be bad.

'cept maybe that stuff you've been smokin' (buying it from Wayne in the back of his ute whil ogling his girlfriend?)

See - I think that you value the economy over the environment ... that's a real worry - because if the environment goes down the gurgler so does the economy ..