Who will win the 2011 election?

[rainman]

Im going to Vote for ACT.

Gosh, what a surprise, they're so unlike you. They're not racist, anti-science, anti-green bigots. Oh wait, yes they are.

All you need to know about getting rich! http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0...tting.Rich.pdf

I'm trying to read this but am struggling a bit with some parts:

...for the science herein applied is an exact science, and failure is impossible.

If it sounds too good to be true...

it is not possible to live a really complete or successful life unless one is rich. No man can rise to his greatest possible height in talent or soul development unless he has plenty of money; for to unfold the soul and to develop talent he must have many things to use, and he cannot have these things unless he has money to buy them with. A man develops in mind, soul, and body by making use of things, and society is so organized that man must have money in order to become the possessor of things; therefore, the basis of all advancement for man must be the science of getting rich.

Where to start? If this is his premise, I'm not going to find agreement with him, I fear.
a) I don't want or need to be rich
b) I don't have a soul to develop
c) materialism tends to lead away from enlightenment, not towards it

I'll not give up yet, but it isn't looking good.

[oldrider]

Where to start? If this is his premise, I'm not going to find agreement with him, I fear.
a) I don't want or need to be rich
b) I don't have a soul to develop
c) materialism tends to lead away from enlightenment, not towards it

I'll not give up yet, but it isn't looking good.

I didn't post it because I believe it, I just posted it because so many people blame the rich as an excuse for their own underwhelming lack of success in life!

If the rich people are rich because they follow his (Wattle) principles, they are not to blame at all, they are too busy being rich!

According to Wattle the poor people are poor, because that is what they practice, being poor!

The dissatisfied will get better results studying the man or woman in the mirror, the answer lies with him or her!

The Robin Hood syndrome, "taking from the rich to give to the poor" is not the answer to the poor man's problems.

Wattle is saying, the problem is mainly the attitude and behaviour of the poor man!

Well, in our (NZ) society, he may just be right!

Politicians, ... well they just exploit the weakness of the poor majority .... that way they can't lose!

Who will win the next election? ... Certainly not the poor man! ... Under MMP or FPP especially, that's a given!

[Vacquer0]

"These results suggest that people of upper-class status aren't very good at recognizing the emotions other people are feeling. The researchers speculate that this is because they can solve their problems, like the daycare example, without relying on others -- they aren't as dependent on the people around them."

This is part of a study done on classes of people. Not the one I was looking for though. Basically, the very wealthy don't know how to give a fuck. The article I read originally suggested it was genetic and that as a group they were less likely to give a shit about others. Somedays I think a "torches and pitchforks" party should be organized so the majority of us can just live in peace.

[Quasievil]

Gosh, what a surprise, they're so unlike you. They're not racist, anti-science, anti-green bigots. Oh wait, yes they are.

Are they Racist or realist ?

i.e not going to continue this separatist division in NZ between Europeans and Maori I like the one country one people view.............thats something I would vote for.
Policy from the web

Action: Welcome more good quality immigrants.
Benefit: Industries get the skilled workers they need.

I read that as no Somalis and people that arrive to suck on my tit.


Anti Science, really ? A policey quote.....
"That no New Zealand government will ever impose needless and unjustified taxation or regulation on its citizens in a misguided attempt to reduce global warming or become a world leader in carbon neutrality".

Sounds good to me

And the best thing about them is that I become more empowered to spend my dollar as I LIKE, not as im told to by the government who basically sucks at running anything, Health, Schools, etc I choose.

Brilliant !!

[rainman]

I didn't post it because I believe it, I just posted it because so many people blame the rich as an excuse for their own underwhelming lack of success in life!

If the rich people are rich because they follow his (Wattle) principles, they are not to blame at all, they are too busy being rich!

According to Wattle the poor people are poor, because that is what they practice, being poor!

The dissatisfied will get better results studying the man or woman in the mirror, the answer lies with him or her!

The Robin Hood syndrome, "taking from the rich to give to the poor" is not the answer to the poor man's problems.

Wattle is saying, the problem is mainly the attitude and behaviour of the poor man!

Well, in our (NZ) society, he may just be right!

Politicians, ... well they just exploit the weakness of the poor majority .... that way they can't lose!

Who will win the next election? ... Certainly not the poor man! ... Under MMP or FPP especially, that's a given!

Don't agree with much of the logic: success isn't the same as material wealth, you don't always get what you want (even if you want it really sincerely, and try hard to get it*), and money ain't everything, unless you don't have any of it. But I can't fault the line I've boldfaced.

I think the reason I disagree with this reasoning is it falls apart when you think of us as a society, rather than just a bunch of individuals.

* Of course it's far more likely you won't get it if you don't try, but that isn't my point.

[Banditbandit]

Are they Racist or realist ?

I see them as racist.

i.e not going to continue this separatist division in NZ between Europeans and Maori I like the one country one people view.............thats something I would vote for.

I see them as racist because, while I agree with the one country one people view - Act's view is one country one people AND THEY ARE WHITE - or at least act like white people ... at least that's how Act's approach looks to me, especially with Brash at the head.

Policy from the web

Action: Welcome more good quality immigrants.
Benefit: Industries get the skilled workers they need.

I read that as no Somalis and people that arrive to suck on my tit.

Hang about - that's entrely racist. How do you know that there aren't Somalis who will contribute here? To dump all people into a group like you do is totally racist.

Anti Science, really ? A policey quote.....
"That no New Zealand government will ever impose needless and unjustified taxation or regulation on its citizens in a misguided attempt to reduce global warming or become a world leader in carbon neutrality".

Sounds good to me

No issues with that at all - the problem is who defines "needless and unjustified"? The anti-climate canmge brigade?

And the best thing about them is that I become more empowered to spend my dollar as I LIKE, not as im told to by the government who basically sucks at running anything, Health, Schools, etc I choose.

Brilliant !!

YEAH YEAH .. might work for people like you but many parents and adults would make poor health and education decisions if they were forced to decide. Do you really think that people like Chris Kahui and Macsyna King are capable of making sensibel decisions about their children's education? Education especially is way to importasnt for the future of this country for people like that to make the decisions .., do you really think that people like me, who smoke, make good health decisions?

[Quasievil]

think that people like Chris Kahui and Macsyna King are capable of making sensibel decisions about their children's education? Education especially is way to importasnt for the future of this country for people like that to make the decisions .., do you really think that people like me, who smoke, make good health decisions?

It wont matter they will be exterminated under the new regime




The government makes better decisions than they can, is that what youre saying, you cannot be serious?

[Banditbandit]

It wont matter they will be exterminated under the new regime

The government makes better decisions than they can, is that what youre saying, you cannot be serious?

Seriously? Do you seriously think that Chris Kahui and Macsyna King can make better decisions about their children's education than the Government can?

I accept that the Government makes shit decisions .. but worse than the Kahui twin parents? You gotta be shitting me ... they couldn't even keep their kids alive ...

The consequences for us all of leaving such decisions to such people are more dead babies, more abused children growing to be abusers as adults, with poor education and more crime in future generations ..

[Quasievil]

Seriously? Do you seriously think that Chris Kahui and Macsyna King can make better decisions about their children's education than the Government can?

You see this is a common Fault of the Labour supporter and labour party, they are hell bent on bringing the ENTIRE society down to the lowest denominator, Labour are hell bent on this.
I think if youre that stupid there is no saving you and you should be exterminated in one of ACTs camps............you know, up the chimney so to speak

[SPman]

Wattle is saying, the problem is mainly the attitude and behaviour of the poor man!

I'd agree.
When I was living on the bones of my arse, bringing up a family on s.f.a., I always considered myself broke - not poor.
Poor is a state of mind which does not neccesarily mean having no money!

[Banditbandit]

You see this is a common Fault of the Labour supporter and labour party, they are hell bent on bringing the ENTIRE society down to the lowest denominator, Labour are hell bent on this.

Bullshit !!!! We want to bring people up from the bottom rung, not drag everyone down to the lowest level - that's pure claptrap ...

I don't see us being a totally equal society - there will always be people at the top and people at the bottom ... but I think the bottom should be higher than it is now ..

I think if you're that stupid there is no saving you and you should be exterminated in one of ACTs camps............you know, up the chimney so to speak

Harsh - that's harsh ... even your mate Rodney would disagree .. Don might not, but Rodney would ...

[Quasievil]

Bullshit !!!! We want to bring people up from the bottom rung, not drag everyone down to the lowest level - that's pure claptrap ...

I don't see us being a totally equal society - there will always be people at the top and people at the bottom ... but I think the bottom should be higher than it is now

Errrr No sorry dude these current politices and the politices of the past are not helping, people are being Dummed down in many areas.

Want examples?

We have 3rd and 4th generation welfare dependants in this country, Labour and the Nats have kept them there for to long, they are NOT being help they are being oppressed by this, how are we helping them ? giving them a gravy train is not helping them


Schools have been Dummed down something shocking, NCEA is so PC to protect the stupid the Smart ones are unrecognisable. and the stupid are Praised, you got Kids? seen a report card lately, totally dummed down to the lowest

PC crap, looks after the lowest denominator in everything, the minority rules................the lowest denominator

[Ocean1]

Schools have been Dummed down

[Quasievil]

Use your Words Ocean1.

[mashman]

You see this is a common Fault of the Labour supporter and labour party, they are hell bent on bringing the ENTIRE society down to the lowest denominator, Labour are hell bent on this.

You see this is a common Fault of the National supporter and National party, they are hell bent on bringing the ENTIRE society down to the lowest denominator, National are hell bent on this.

Your precious money system has reprocussions further down the food chain ya know. Sure if someone felt like it they should be able to up and get themselves into the education system, or take an apprenticeship, or go work and train at Maccas, whatever... but I seem to remember something about needing a percentage of your population to be unemployed to keep inflation down? More than happy to be wrong, so...

(interlude: everyone private and public department is run to a budget... so people are going to financially suffer, but that's acceptable, because they're 100% undeniably stupid)

Anyhoo, What do you do with those people? There obviously aren't jobs for everyone. Why not allow them to become your lowest common denominator and suffer the social fallout. After all, it's their own fault.

you should be paying them more handsomererer