Who will win the 2011 election?

[puddytat]

So its possible for them to be able to contemplate the beauracracy of them keeping an eye on these youngsters, yet its to complex to remove GST on food?.FFS!!

The muthafarkers are looking at fiddling with our last remaining public broadcasters too....dropping TVNZ 7 & farking with National Radio Is it the next step in the continuing dumbing down of our society & leaving the private media to force feed us what they consider to be news which to me is mostly Womans Weekly tripe.
You only need to look at what TV1 & TV3 put on thier 6pm news & then watch
TVNZ 7 @ 8pm to see the difference .....Or listen to 9 to Noon with Katherine Ryan.
They'll say that thats what the people want....most are too stupid to know what they want.
They dont want Joe Retard to know whats going on about deeper issues....& Joe probably doesnt really want to know

[shrub]

So its possible for them to be able to contemplate the beauracracy of them keeping an eye on these youngsters, yet its to complex to remove GST on food?.FFS!!

The muthafarkers are looking at fiddling with our last remaining public broadcasters too....dropping TVNZ 7 & farking with National Radio Is it the next step in the continuing dumbing down of our society & leaving the private media to force feed us what they consider to be news which to me is mostly Womans Weekly tripe.
You only need to look at what TV1 & TV3 put on thier 6pm news & then watch
TVNZ 7 @ 8pm to see the difference .....Or listen to 9 to Noon with Katherine Ryan.
They'll say that thats what the people want....most are too stupid to know what they want.
They dont want Joe Retard to know whats going on about deeper issues....& Joe probably doesnt really want to know

Independent critical thinking is an anathema to the current lot.

There are plenty of reality shows about obesity, the police and cooking to keep the peasant's minds dulled so there is no need for National radio or TV7.

[Oscar]

So its possible for them to be able to contemplate the beauracracy of them keeping an eye on these youngsters, yet its to complex to remove GST on food?.FFS!!

The muthafarkers are looking at fiddling with our last remaining public broadcasters too....dropping TVNZ 7 & farking with National Radio Is it the next step in the continuing dumbing down of our society & leaving the private media to force feed us what they consider to be news which to me is mostly Womans Weekly tripe.
You only need to look at what TV1 & TV3 put on thier 6pm news & then watch
TVNZ 7 @ 8pm to see the difference .....Or listen to 9 to Noon with Katherine Ryan.
They'll say that thats what the people want....most are too stupid to know what they want.
They dont want Joe Retard to know whats going on about deeper issues....& Joe probably doesnt really want to know

So how are you qualified to say what people should listen to or watch?
It's a bit pompous for you to say people are too stupid to know what they want and expect them to pay for your tastes.

As a matter of fact, I quite frequently listen to National Radio, but why should the long suffering taxpayers shell out for my tastes?

As for Katherine Ryan (and Kim Hill) - I'm not sure what annoys me more about these broadcasters, their ability to make an interesting subject as dull as ditchwater, Kill Him's abrasive style or the fact that both suffer from a raging left wing anti-male bias.

[SPman]

I see Warren Buffet is saying, the super rich should pay a lot more tax....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/op...rich.html?_r=1
He's not one to bitch and whinge about paying more money to support bludgers...he just gets on with making money

And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.

[puddytat]

So how are you qualified to say what people should listen to or watch?
It's a bit pompous for you to say people are too stupid to know what they want and expect them to pay for your tastes.

As a matter of fact, I quite frequently listen to National Radio, but why should the long suffering taxpayers shell out for my tastes?

As for Katherine Ryan (and Kim Hill) - I'm not sure what annoys me more about these broadcasters, their ability to make an interesting subject as dull as ditchwater, Kill Him's abrasive style or the fact that both suffer from a raging left wing anti-male bias.

We shell out all the time for things that arnt to our own tastes, & public broadcasting is independant of market forces so not prone to lobbying....
Yeah , maybe i'm a tad pompous, blame it on my frustration...but arnt they pompous too with forcing me to pay for shit thats not to my taste. Im not trying to tell people what the should do...I just think that seeing nearly all our information comes from the Media, that a nonaligned organisation may have less fiddling & fewer agendas going on in the Boardroom.
And so you think that Cambo & Sainsbury are more realistic than Katherine, Kim, Jim Moira & the likes that frequent NatRad? . Or less biased & less sensational? What I like about Public Broadcasting is that its the only place that everyday youll get an in depth analasis of current events other than the once weekly offerings of Q&A & that other one with wotshisface.

[Oscar]

We shell out all the time for things that arnt to our own tastes, & public broadcasting is independant of market forces so not prone to lobbying....
Yeah , maybe i'm a tad pompous, blame it on my frustration...
And so you think that Cambo & Sainsbury are more realistic than Katherine, Kim, Jim Moira & the likes that frequent NatRad? . Or less biased & less sensational? What I like about Public Broadcasting is that its the only place that everyday youll get an in depth analasis of current events other than the once weekly offerings of Q&A & that other one with wotshisface.

I don't watch the Walrus or Trophyhead, as they are even more biased (and far less professional) than the aformentioned wimmins. I'm not sure why you would assume that I would prefer these idjuts as I certainly didn't mention them.

I personally think tht most of Nat Radio is a great thing, but it doesn't give me the right to spend other peoples taxes on it. And to say that Nat Radio is not subject lobbying is a tad naive, isn't it?

[mashman]

Go on Hone... show the useless cunts how to look after the people...

[Oscar]

Go on Hone... show the useless cunts how to look after the people...

Yeah remove the GST of veges and they'll eat more...

















....KFC must be shitting themselves

[puddytat]

I don't watch the Walrus or Trophyhead, as they are even more biased (and far less professional) than the aformentioned wimmins. I'm not sure why you would assume that I would prefer these idjuts as I certainly didn't mention them.

I personally think tht most of Nat Radio is a great thing, but it doesn't give me the right to spend other peoples taxes on it. And to say that Nat Radio is not subject lobbying is a tad naive, isn't it?

No your right, you didnt mention them but i was just using them as an example of what mainstream media offer as indepth reporting
So who would be able to lobby NatRad....the leftwing manhating lesbians?I would suggest that lobbying would be far more likely to be successful on whatever organisation thats reliant on "donations" or advertising for its existance, rather than a publicly funded one.
Im just so skeptical when it comes to any Govt looking to balance the books, or scoring cheap Brownie points by cutting public funding to the detrement of public services,while those who already have so much are laughing (still) all the way to the Banks or Accountants.
As SP quoted about Warren Buffet.....but Im sure some will think that his ideas are really a leftwing conspiracy.

By the way, this has to be one of the best threads for a long time,so thanks to the Quasi's,yourself, the Rainman & Shrub & others who are posting because i feel that its the closest thing I read to a " real mans" political debate as opposed to a lot of the "expert" talking heads who are often "pompous"!!

[oldrider]

And the best part is they don't even know who the puppet master is.

Sincere question, "do you know who the puppet really master is"? .... please share it with us! we won't tell anyone else!

[puddytat]

Beelzabub

[shrub]

Sincere question, "do you know who the puppet really master is"? .... please share it with us! we won't tell anyone else!

No, I don't. That's because there isn't one actual individual puppet master, the term more represents an amorphous group of ever changing individuals and groups and the makeup of said puppet master changes with situation and goals.

What I am able to identify (most of the time) is when said puppet master is at work. The puppet master has been with us forever using a mixture of tools, and a favourite is creating fear and distrust, frequently with a constructed 'other' like beneficiaries, terrorists, Jews or Somali refugees and the like. The media, advertising and seemingly independent opinion leaders are often used and these days the internet is a favourite tool.

It used to be called propoganda, but as we have become more sophisticated and cynical the mechanisms have had to evolve, but they still do exactly the same job. It's bloody interesting stuff to study even if it makes one very cynical of damn near everyone and everything. Sometimes I envy the likes of Quasi with their naive and simple perspectives where black is black and white is the exact opposite and there is nothing in between or around to worry about.

[Oscar]

No your right, you didnt mention them but i was just using them as an example of what mainstream media offer as indepth reporting
So who would be able to lobby NatRad....the leftwing manhating lesbians?I would suggest that lobbying would be far more likely to be successful on whatever organisation thats reliant on "donations" or advertising for its existance, rather than a publicly funded one.
Im just so skeptical when it comes to any Govt looking to balance the books, or scoring cheap Brownie points by cutting public funding to the detrement of public services,while those who already have so much are laughing (still) all the way to the Banks or Accountants.
As SP quoted about Warren Buffet.....but Im sure some will think that his ideas are really a leftwing conspiracy.

By the way, this has to be one of the best threads for a long time,so thanks to the Quasi's,yourself, the Rainman & Shrub & others who are posting because i feel that its the closest thing I read to a " real mans" political debate as opposed to a lot of the "expert" talking heads who are often "pompous"!!

With an organisation like Nat Radio, someone has to spend taxes on a service for a minority of the population (and if I guess right about Nat Radio's demographics, a minority that could well afford to pay for the service).

Your opinions, which are not uncommon (and of which I am reasonably sympathetic) call for someone to be the arbiter of good taste. This is a dark path to tread.

[Oscar]

No, I don't. That's because there isn't one actual individual puppet master, the term more represents an amorphous group of ever changing individuals and groups and the makeup of said puppet master changes with situation and goals.

What I am able to identify (most of the time) is when said puppet master is at work. The puppet master has been with us forever using a mixture of tools, and a favourite is creating fear and distrust, frequently with a constructed 'other' like beneficiaries, terrorists, Jews or Somali refugees and the like. The media, advertising and seemingly independent opinion leaders are often used and these days the internet is a favourite tool.

It used to be called propoganda, but as we have become more sophisticated and cynical the mechanisms have had to evolve, but they still do exactly the same job. It's bloody interesting stuff to study even if it makes one very cynical of damn near everyone and everything. Sometimes I envy the likes of Quasi with their naive and simple perspectives where black is black and white is the exact opposite and there is nothing in between or around to worry about.

Jeez, you're good at Propaganda

One of the basic tactics of propaganda is to blame the current troubles on a shadowy group or conspiracy. Galavanise the people by tilting at shadows.

Use snappy epithets for the opposition - "Puppet Master" for example.

Another is to belittle ones opponents by calling them naive, silly or stupid.

[oneofsix]

No, I don't. That's because there isn't one actual individual puppet master, the term more represents an amorphous group of ever changing individuals and groups and the makeup of said puppet master changes with situation and goals.

What I am able to identify (most of the time) is when said puppet master is at work. The puppet master has been with us forever using a mixture of tools, and a favourite is creating fear and distrust, frequently with a constructed 'other' like beneficiaries, terrorists, Jews or Somali refugees and the like. The media, advertising and seemingly independent opinion leaders are often used and these days the internet is a favourite tool.

It used to be called propoganda, but as we have become more sophisticated and cynical the mechanisms have had to evolve, but they still do exactly the same job. It's bloody interesting stuff to study even if it makes one very cynical of damn near everyone and everything. Sometimes I envy the likes of Quasi with their naive and simple perspectives where black is black and white is the exact opposite and there is nothing in between or around to worry about.

still owes a lot to Joseph Goebbels. They still use the same basic methods.