Who will win the 2011 election?

**shrub** · 24th August 2011, 09:25

Originally Posted by cowpoos

The fact I have to explain this to you say something. Listen carefully!! Have more income....spend more income....therefore pay more GST!!! also Have more income pay way way fucking more tax!!!

Oh dear, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. I said that people on low incomes pay more GST as a proportion of their income. Statistically a typical person on $50k will spend around 60% of their income on living costs like food, petrol, power, phone, clothes and entertainmen, all of which attract GST.

However someone on $150,000 you will typically spend a greater dollar amount on all of the above, but because mortgages and savings are GST exempt between 40% and 50% of their income will attract GST.

understand how this contributes more to society????? or do I have to explain this aswell???

So what you're saying is the only way to contribute to society is through paying tax? Then why do you hate paying tax? Do you hate contributing to the society you live in?

Because all the smart ones have gone overseas because labour scared them off with envy tax's and other nanny state rhetoric!!

Then why have the number of people emigrating increased since National came in? And why do Labour and the Greens always do better out of special votes cast by expat Kiwis? And what are envy taxes and nanny state rhetoric? Has it dawned on you that the reason smart people emigrate (often to countries with higher tax rates) is because there are more opportunities overseas? Or are you simply spouting what you have been told?

my assertions are based on facts...stupid people, who are lazy, selfish, ignorant ,with no aspiration [usually whinge about not being well off but don't want to work for it...and make up suitable conspiracies to support their bollacks]. Don't get anywhere in life....don't make much money....don't deserve handouts...

Those aren't facts - they're your paranoid prejudices. Facts are things that are known to exist and can be independently observed, measured and experienced.

and they don't contribute to the society...and think society owes them something...I mean piss off. don't even try that argument!!

Like you?

**shrub** · 24th August 2011, 09:35

Originally Posted by Shadows

I'm sorry, I must have missed the announcement that graduating from university automatically makes people smarter than average. .

So you need announcements to tell you what to think? I'm guessing you have never been to uni, and you're right, graduating from university does not automatically make one smarter, and there are a lot of graduates that really aren't that bright and only got through by working their arses off. There are also some well educated and intelligent people who are idiots and do really stupid shit just like some poorly educated people are very smart and really well informed.

However on balance you will find people who have completed tertiary education are of above average intelligence and well informed.

**Banditbandit** · 24th August 2011, 09:37

Did anyone notice TV3's story last night that people want the Capital Gains tax over the proposed Asset Sales?

Go here ..

http://www.3news.co.nz/Kiwis-prefer-...3/Default.aspx

53% prefered the capital gains tax ...
31% wanted asset sales ...

**shrub** · 24th August 2011, 09:39

Originally Posted by cowpoos

Your right...my girl walked in to a PPTA meeting once....guy talking start with....afternoon comrades...she left PPTA after that...but was not the only reason why!!

Ooooh! That's scary, there are reds under the bed - they're taking over and we'll all be speaking russian if we're not careful! Hang on, didn't you just rant about people fearing conspiracies? And did she not think to challenge the speaker about it?

**Banditbandit** · 24th August 2011, 10:26

Originally Posted by Shadows

The fact that compulsory student union membership has survived for so long speaks volumes too.

That's a misunderstanding - there is no "compulsory" student union membership as you think.

All students enrolled in a tertiary institution vote whether that particular institute has compulsory membership - as fasr as I know all the institutes have so far voted in favour of membership ...

The National Government is hell bent on removiong that vote - doesn't sound very democratic to me ...

**Oscar** · 24th August 2011, 10:33

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Did anyone notice TV3's story last night that people want the Capital Gains tax over the proposed Asset Sales?

Go here ..

http://www.3news.co.nz/Kiwis-prefer-...3/Default.aspx

53% prefered the capital gains tax ...
31% wanted asset sales ...

As the Labour Party has found, niether question is that important to the average punter.

**shrub** · 24th August 2011, 11:29

Originally Posted by Oscar

As the Labour Party has found, niether question is that important to the average punter.

What is really important is getting a tax cut so they can buy a new 3D internet ready 50 inch TV to replace that dungery old 42 inch HD piece of crap they bought last year.

I think the problem is that very few people actually understand the nature and depth of the problems facing NZ and the west, or why selling energy companies now is about as stupid as selling Microsoft shares just before personal computers took off. We live in an age where all the world's knowledge is at our fingertips wherever we are, yet ignorance is held up as being something good.

I read 1984 and Animal Farm over the weekend and they described the world I live in. Animal farm was especially scary because it was originally written about Stalinism yet so many of the things Orwell saw in that ideology are becoming evident in the current world.

**imdying** · 24th August 2011, 11:47

Both epic books... Both (Animal Farm especially) are a little disturbing for the reasons you mention.

**Swoop** · 24th August 2011, 12:23

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

All students enrolled in a tertiary institution vote whether that particular institute has compulsory membership - as fasr as I know all the institutes have so far voted in favour of membership ...

You might find that certain establishments automatically add on an amount for "fees", but these are not passed onto the student union unless it is a "mandatory membership" location.

**Banditbandit** · 24th August 2011, 12:56

Originally Posted by shrub

I read 1984 and Animal Farm over the weekend and they described the world I live in. Animal farm was especially scary because it was originally written about Stalinism yet so many of the things Orwell saw in that ideology are becoming evident in the current world.

Go back and read Karl Marx on late-period Capitalism .. Marx describes our world exactly ..

**Banditbandit** · 24th August 2011, 12:57

Originally Posted by Swoop

You might find that certain establishments automatically add on an amount for "fees", but these are not passed onto the student union unless it is a "mandatory membership" location.

I might not too ... can you name those institutes? If that is the case, then what they are doing is illegal.

**shrub** · 24th August 2011, 13:12

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Go back and read Karl Marx on late-period Capitalism .. Marx describes our world exactly ..

Will do, I haven't read any Marx for years. Have you read Lenin's 'Imperialism, the Hihest Stage of Capitalism'? Again very prescient.

It's interesting watching the evolution of plutocracy into feudalism. To quote the immortal George Santayana - "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

**shrub** · 24th August 2011, 13:13

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I might not too ... can you name those institutes? If that is the case, then what they are doing is illegal.

he'll need to get their names from Wayne down at the pub. Wayne has a grouse ute and a smoking hot missus, so he'll know.

**Swoop** · 24th August 2011, 13:56

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

If that is the case, then what they are doing is illegal.

The most prominent changed to "compulsory membership" not too long ago. The student union was happy with the outcome so I guess never raised a fuss.

**oldrider** · 24th August 2011, 17:46

Well who ever wins the election, don't expect much change!

Does this sound familiar?

Quote of the Week

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt
should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and
controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest
Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on
public assistance."

Cicero - 55 BC

So what have we learned in 2,066 years?