But he's already started his own party Mana anyoneOriginally Posted by shrub
Labour
National
Who the fuck cares
Watchful Old Bird
But he's already started his own party Mana anyone
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
They require a braincell first and foremost.
Luckily we do not have Phil "dumber than a box of hammers" Goff leading us through very trying economic and disaster prone times.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Anarchic Wild Child
And you think the Nats are doing well at that - with record inflation and rising unemployment?
And don't tell me it is the fault of the world economy .. if that's the case then Labour would do no better ... and if that's the case then why not voter for them?
I'm sick of hearing that things are going well - Oh, the Government is doing well - things are going bad - Oh, it's the world economy ...
Shit - if you take responsibility for the good stuff you have to take resonsibility for the shit as well ..
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Labour's proposal to increase borrowing sounds really attractive.Perhaps they wish to borrow more to complete their normal election bribery campaign? Presumably a packet of chewing gum has increased in price...
National hasn't been doing too bad in reality and I'm glad they are at the helm during these times.
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
The Sharif don't like it!
Agreed.
I disagree with people who say the current unemployment situation is national's fault, just as I disagree with people who say labour reduced unemployment.
The government isn't a magical force that can fix all....
-Indy
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Anarchic Wild Child
Shit .. our overseas debt has increased hugely as National borrow money ... they've increased debt by soemthing like $2billion!!! And you worry about Labour borrowing ...Labour's proposal to increase borrowing sounds really attractive.
National hasn't been doing too bad in reality and I'm glad they are at the helm during these times.
hell, on this one neither of them are squeaky clean ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
Anarchic Wild Child
Agreed. ...
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
The Sharif don't like it!
Greens wouldn't borrow
They'd shut down all power plants and force the population to make mud huts.
-Indy
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dodgy is as dodgy does
Actually National have done a bloody awful job, or more accurately they haven't done anything beyond a few half arsed tax cuts, an increase in GST and borrow more money. I was interested to see what they would do when they took power - essentially they had a mandate for 6 years given that we have only had a couple of one term governments, and they had had 9 years on opposition benches to develop some strategies. Key was sold to us as an economic mastermind and top businessman, and his party as a strong, decisive and business friendly party. They took control with a reasonably strong economy (which it was if you look at the numbers and ignore the spin) with some good economic mechanisms in place - the Cullen Fund and Kiwisaver.Labour's proposal to increase borrowing sounds really attractive.
National hasn't been doing too bad in reality and I'm glad they are at the helm during these times.
We were in the early days of the global economic crisis and the consensus among external (read foreign) commentators was that we would weather it well and come out quickly despite a worrying level of private debt. They had the mandate and the opportunity to implement some sweeping policy changes that could have transformed NZ, and I was quietly optimistic, especially when Key held his jobs forum. I honestly thought that we had the right people leading NZ.
Now 3 years later the only answers they seem to have are to cut taxes and cut public spending. Cutting taxes has a place, but it is not and never will be a magic bullet. Streamlining and improving efficiencies with public services is a good idea. but it seems their sole response is to merge departments, drop services and lay off staff. None of which do any lasting good. And next year we will see them utilise their master stroke and sell minority shareholdings to key energy companies to help fund debt.
That alone is arguably the stupidest thing I have seen any politician suggest in my life. We are at the beginning of an era of rising energy costs which means energy companies will become increasingly profitable and influential and demand for cleantech energy technologies are picked to generate trillions of dollars in the next few decades. So we sell the companies that are going to profit from these changes just before they come into their own. It would be like selling shares in Microsoft just as personal computers were taking off.
They're idiots and probably the worst people to run NZ outside of a sheltered workshop.
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
dodgy is as dodgy does
Of course they would. And probably convert to Islam.Greens wouldn't borrow
They'd shut down all power plants and force the population to make mud huts.
-Indy
Muppets, too funny!
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
One hell of a ride.
What Goff should have learned from little Johnny Howard across the ditch is that the only time you can get tax reform is when the other party represents a worse option.
Anarchic Wild Child
Cool !!! Let's first rebuild Parliament as a Mud Hut and then when it rains (It always raisn in Wellington) the bastards will get washed into the Harbour ... (the Gerens will just have to put up with the pollution)Greens wouldn't borrow
They'd shut down all power plants and force the population to make mud huts.
-Indy
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
dodgy is as dodgy does
or when you know that you stand no chance of getting reelected. CGT makes sense on every level, and we either embrace it or pay the price, but Goff et al are depending on the public of NZ not being influenced by spin or having the wit to understand how it works beyond "Oh my god, the evil pricks want to take even more money from me".
Don't blame me, I voted Green.
Hardcore Biker
High income earners are taxed 33%... that's bloody far away from capitalism!
Anarchic Wild Child
Let me see ..
The USA top tax rate is 35%
In Germany it is 45%
In Britain it is 50%
In France it is 41%
In China it is 45% (strange how a communist country has a tax rate the same as capitalist countries - except Homg Kong where it is 17%)
In Russia it is a 13% flat tax (looks like the old left has adopted new right ideas)
We sit at the lower end of all that ... they are all bloody far away from your idea of capitalism
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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