Who will win the 2011 election?

[Ocean1]

It all comes down to money. Per capita measurements of anything are flawed. Poor areas produce "overt" criminals black and white... and vice versa for richer areas.

So, you've found two factors and a relationship between them.

It wasn't so long ago that a certain health minister was laughed out of a lecture hall for claiming that low income causes poor health.

Which one causes the other?

If you'd bothered looking there's a bunch of other variables related to low income, health, longevity, educational level, drug use... it's a rather long list.

Now, is there, in fact a third variable that drives all of them?

[mashman]

You've certainly done your research.

, 20 odd minutes on google. All I knew is that there were some African countries that weren't run by the "locals", stood to reason that at least some of the rest would be like that. Similar to all of the colonies I guess. Once the "rulers" leave, so does the money and the expertise on how to live in that particular way i.e. using world economics and world politics.

Question.... What state do you think those country's would be if they hadn't been "oppressed" by the white man ? And what would happen if N.Z. was left to the native population who were here when whitey arrived ?

I reckon NZ would have been an absolute "haven". A relatively peaceful nation that did things for their people that worked as a co-operative for the most part. Coulda been a slaughter house too I spose. Dunno really, but war certainly seems to be a white mans game, conquest for $$$. Dreamin maybe, but I dunno, but from the little I know of the Maori, the accommodated whitey and were summarily fucked over, or at least hoodwinked in exactly the same way as every other white colonised nation. Meh.

[mashman]

So, you've found two factors and a relationship between them.

It wasn't so long ago that a certain health minister was laughed out of a lecture hall for claiming that low income causes poor health.

Which one causes the other?

If you'd bothered looking there's a bunch of other variables related to low income, health, longevity, educational level, drug use... it's a rather long list.

Now, is there, in fact a third variable that drives all of them?

Heh, I know it's not that simple, but the simple fact of life is that if you have next to no money you'll end up living amongst others with next to no money and deprived areas and their associated problems are born. Not an awful lot of $$$ around for investment opportunities

As for a third variable, a shitty attitude, or at least a different attitude to the norm that we individually expect/demand of our fellow man

[SMOKEU]

I reckon NZ would have been an absolute "haven". A relatively peaceful nation that did things for their people that worked as a co-operative for the most part. Coulda been a slaughter house too I spose. Dunno really, but war certainly seems to be a white mans game, conquest for $$$. Dreamin maybe, but I dunno, but from the little I know of the Maori, the accommodated whitey and were summarily fucked over, or at least hoodwinked in exactly the same way as every other white colonised nation. Meh.

If the white people didn't come to NZ, then the Maoris would still be running around killing and eating one another.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/archived-stuf...ld-in-new-book

http://www.google.co.nz/search?gcx=c...w=1920&bih=955

[Dean]

I'm not saying that every white is a saint, as there are plenty of blacks who are highly educated, honest people, and there are plenty of whites who are child molesters, murderers etc.

There is goodcunts and there is fuckwits, period.

[oldrider]

I reckon NZ would have been an absolute "haven". A relatively peaceful nation that did things for their people that worked as a co-operative for the most part. Coulda been a slaughter house too I spose. Dunno really, but war certainly seems to be a white mans game, conquest for $$$. Dreamin maybe, but I dunno, but from the little I know of the Maori, the accommodated whitey and were summarily fucked over, or at least hoodwinked in exactly the same way as every other white colonised nation. Meh.

Get a grip mashman, this place was no Utopia before or after the Pakeha arrived here, it was a savage lawless shithole and life was fucking hard!

Considering where it's come from, it's a credit to the "whole" nation that it has advanced this far in such a short period.

One can only "hope" the progress will continue!

[mashman]

If the white people didn't come to NZ, then the Maoris would still be running around killing and eating one another.

I'm sure they would have been complete and utter animals 24/7 and with the above things being so prevalent, I'm surprised that there were any Maori left at all.

Get a grip mashman, this place was no Utopia before or after the Pakeha arrived here, it was a savage lawless shithole and life was fucking hard!

Considering where it's come from, it's a credit to the "whole" nation that it has advanced this far in such a short period.

One can only "hope" the progress will continue!

I did say relatively peaceful. Savage lawless shithole? Really? Is that all they did, run around bludgeoning each other to death on a daily basis, only stopping for a wee snooze before taking up arms again and killing everyone that wasn't their tribe? I find that ever so slightly hard to believe. Yes manual labour most likely existed. Does manual labor exist today?

define advanced? Coz I have a serious doubt that I'll agree with you. On the grounds that kids learn what's available to learn, all very capable and knowing what every other nation knows takes the blink of an eye. I don't see NZ as being any more advanced than any other country on the planet.

Considering we're going backwards in sooooo many ways, imho, I wouldn't say we're progressing.

[oneofsix]

Does manual labor exist today?

Yes in the good ol' US of A, he is most likely the Mexican gardener


Me of all people picking on spelling - really

[Swoop]

I'm sure they would have been complete and utter animals 24/7 and with the above things being so prevalent, I'm surprised that there were any Maori left at all.

I did say relatively peaceful. Savage lawless shithole? Really?

Have you read or studied up on Kororareka? It was called the "Hell Hole of the Pacific" for a reason.

[oldrider]

I did say relatively peaceful. Savage lawless shithole? Really? Is that all they did, run around bludgeoning each other to death on a daily basis, only stopping for a wee snooze before taking up arms again and killing everyone that wasn't their tribe? I find that ever so slightly hard to believe. Yes manual labour most likely existed. Does manual labor exist today?

define advanced? Coz I have a serious doubt that I'll agree with you. On the grounds that kids learn what's available to learn, all very capable and knowing what every other nation knows takes the blink of an eye. I don't see NZ as being any more advanced than any other country on the planet.

Considering we're going backwards in sooooo many ways, imho, I wouldn't say we're progressing.

Mm, I don't think you really read my post and thought about it.

[mashman]

Have you read or studied up on Kororareka? It was called the "Hell Hole of the Pacific" for a reason.

Sounds like a South Pacific version of cowboys and indians.

Mm, I don't think you really read my post and thought about it. :No:

Probably true, although mind reading over the internet never was my strong suit ... and on second reading, and with non lunch time eyes I think I see what you meant, and very true too ... we have come far. My apologies. Still unsure about our progress though, really really unsure... but I am "hoping" along with you on that score.

[rainman]

So, you've found two factors and a relationship between them.

...

If you'd bothered looking there's a bunch of other variables related to low income, health, longevity, educational level, drug use... it's a rather long list.

Now, is there, in fact a third variable that drives all of them?

Why yes there is, funny you should ask.

[Winston001]

Now, is there, in fact a third variable that drives all of them?

Yes. Wiccans. Covens.




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Well...they got warts

[Ocean1]

Why yes there is, funny you should ask.

Correct. Societies with a higher number of contributing members and a minimum of number of parasites produce a more equally spread income.

How could it be otherwise?

[rainman]

Correct. Societies with a higher number of contributing members and a minimum of number of parasites produce a more equally spread income.

How could it be otherwise?

This is true, but dishonest, and you know it.