Who will win the 2011 election?

**Winston001** · 21st July 2011, 14:00

Mmmm

Economic Left/Right: -4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15

Now I'll have to read the darned site to work out what that means. Its a good survey.

**Banditbandit** · 21st July 2011, 14:08

Originally Posted by Quasievil

So he went from being a thinking man to being a idiot ?
remarkable

What an apt demonstration of Shrub's point

**Winston001** · 21st July 2011, 14:08

Originally Posted by superman

I kind of see the link, but hardly to the extremity of anarcho-syndicalism.

FAARRGGG!! ANARCHO-SYNDICALISM on KB.

Who says bikers are retards. Yeah FTW.

And now for something completely different:

DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen mate -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you?

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 14:09

Originally Posted by Quasievil

So he went from being a thinking man to being a idiot ?
remarkable

He examined what he believed, ignored the stereotypes he had been fed by his mate Wayne down at the pub and made a decision using reason and logic. If that's how you define becoming an idiot, then I guess you and I have a different understanding of the word "idiot". If he had conducted the same process and decided that he supported National would that have made him a thinking man or an idot?

It amuses me how people here use a person's political preference as a measure of intelligence and/or wisdom. I know highly intelligent people and really switched on people who support National, Labour, the Greens and even NZ First or ACT and I know dribbling imbeciles who support the same parties. I think to me a political idiot as opposed to being a thinking man is someone who takes a hard and fast political judgement regarding a party without actually knowing much about the parties policies and ideologies. Tell me Quasi, seeing you equate changing allegiance from National to the Greens with idiocy, what do you know about Green policies? How recently have you read them? Are you aware of how Green policies impact you as a businessman compared to National policies?

I'm genuinely interested in your answers and will take silence as an admission you aren't able to come up with any.

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 14:13

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

What an apt demonstration of Shrub's point

It was rather, wasn't it? I'll be interested to see whether he responds to my questions.

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 14:45

Originally Posted by shrub

what do you know about Green policies?

The only one that matters, they want to take my semi-auto's off me....

-Indy

**Quasievil** · 21st July 2011, 14:46

Originally Posted by shrub

Tell me Quasi, seeing you equate changing allegiance from National to the Greens with idiocy, what do you know about Green policies? How recently have you read them? Are you aware of how Green policies impact you as a businessman compared to National policies?

I'm genuinely interested in your answers and will take silence as an admission you aren't able to come up with any.

The greens are hell bent on the Kyoto protocol, which is an Arse and will negatively impact the economy, they are so busy having sex with trees they cant see through the other side of the forest to see reality on that one, anything to do with the environment is one eyed.

they Advocate Eco Tax yes that would work for the economy on top of everything else.

they want to increase our refugee quota, what are we to do with more somalies other than pay them benifits ?

They advocate Maori seperatisim via their stance on the Treaty and the Maori electoral system.

they think Dope is ok............morons !

So as A businessman I will have to pay more tax under the "saving the earth" umbrella, I will have the choice of a Somali or a doped up Maori with an attitude or a white dude politicized into saying he is sorry for eternity about the treaty issues.

But at least I can have a beer, assuming I can avoid the holes in the wooded bar leaner table.

the greens are loonies, the nats arent much better

**short-circuit** · 21st July 2011, 15:14

Originally Posted by Quasievil

The greens are hell bent on the Kyoto protocol, which is an Arse and will negatively impact the economy, they are so busy having sex with trees they cant see through the other side of the forest to see reality on that one, anything to do with the environment is one eyed.

they Advocate Eco Tax yes that would work for the economy on top of everything else.

they want to increase our refugee quota, what are we to do with more somalies other than pay them benifits ?

They advocate Maori seperatisim via their stance on the Treaty and the Maori electoral system.

they think Dope is ok............morons !

So as A businessman I will have to pay more tax under the "saving the earth" umbrella, I will have the choice of a Somali or a doped up Maori with an attitude or a white dude politicized into saying he is sorry for eternity about the treaty issues.

But at least I can have a beer, assuming I can avoid the holes in the wooded bar leaner table.

the greens are loonies, the nats arent much better

sounds like you've been talking to Wayne with the "grouse" holden and the hot missus.

**Winston001** · 21st July 2011, 15:39

Originally Posted by shrub

?

....to me a political idiot as opposed to being a thinking man is someone who takes a hard and fast political judgement regarding a party without actually knowing much about the parties policies and ideologies.

I'm not sure what the answer is. Deeper civics education in schools perhaps. Its true the world over that people cleave to certain political parties and seldom look at the alternatives. To me, that is stupid - but then most people find politics and economics difficult to understand beyond soundbites, so my opinion is a bit harsh.

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 15:55

Originally Posted by Quasievil

The greens are hell bent on the Kyoto protocol, which is an Arse and will negatively impact the economy

How will it negatively impact the economy and how is it an arse? It's too weak, but not an arse.

they are so busy having sex with trees they cant see through the other side of the forest to see reality on that one, anything to do with the environment is one eyed

.

I see. And you called my friend an idiot?

they Advocate Eco Tax yes that would work for the economy on top of everything else.

Can you try that again please? It doesn't make sense.

they want to increase our refugee quota, what are we to do with more somalies other than pay them benifits ?

You really have been listening to Wayne with the grouse Holden. What percentage of refugees are Somalians and how many are on benefits? But you're right, they want to increase the quota from 750 to 1000. How is that a bad thing? Umm, you're not racist are you?

They advocate Maori seperatisim via their stance on the Treaty and the Maori electoral system.

The Treaty is a fundamental constitutional document and your paranoia is more seperatist than anything the Greens advocate. Are you sure you're not racist?

they think Dope is ok............morons !

Um, wrong again. From their website:
"The Green Party recognises that:

A drug-free lifestyle is the healthiest;
All drugs can cause harm, regardless of their legal status.
Not all drug use is problematic.
Some current government policies do not reduce harm but rather create a further set of problems"

So as A businessman I will have to pay more tax under the "saving the earth" umbrella,

How so? If you are a high carbob producer then I think it's perfectly OK for you to pay for your use of the atmosphere as a waste dump - it's called user pays.

I will have the choice of a Somali or a doped up Maori with an attitude or a white dude politicized into saying he is sorry for eternity about the treaty issues.

For what? A lover? A neighbour? A best friend? I think you might be racist you know.

But at least I can have a beer, assuming I can avoid the holes in the wooded bar leaner table.

Sounds like you have had a few too many beers and I fail to see how the condition of your bar leaner is the green parties fault. Or is that what Wayne told you?

the greens are loonies, the nats arent much better

Yes, quite. I know! You're Wayne with the grouse ute and the hot missus!

Muppets, too funny

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 16:02

Originally Posted by short-circuit

sounds like you've been talking to Wayne with the "grouse" holden and the hot missus.

He kind of walked into that one. I think he's been leaning on the bar too much and his brain cells are winding down for the duration.

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2011, 16:14

Originally Posted by shrub

You really have been listening to Wayne with the grouse Holden. What percentage of refugees are Somalians and how many are on benefits? But you're right, they want to increase the quota from 750 to 1000. How is that a bad thing? Umm, you're not racist are you?

Give 'em an inch....

-Indy

**mashman** · 21st July 2011, 16:18

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

You freedom-lovin' biker you ... (with a bit of a scoail conscience)

I care not what it means. I love how flawed the "test" is... I reckon I could take that Lama fella

**shrub** · 21st July 2011, 16:22

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Give 'em an inch....

-Indy

Yeah, next thing you know they'll be getting educated, starting businesses, buying houses and marrying our daughters. Danged uppity negroes.

That quasi, he got a purdy mouth...