Who will win the 2011 election?

**rainman** · 9th November 2011, 10:13

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

What's wrong with NZ politics is that it's largely made up of left wing communists.

Pfft - you wouldn't know a communist if one bit you. They're in short supply in most places, NZ no exception. Perhaps you should change what you're smoking.

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

The NZ public are all too happy to bend over and blindly follow the government propaganda like sheep.

Now, there you may have a point.
(The rest of your post was racist drivel).

**oldrider** · 9th November 2011, 10:58

The polls and the media are there to ensure the continuation of the National / Labour coalition by default.

They were never intended to be there for the people!

When ACT left Labour Helen Clark and her cohorts turned the Labour's agenda into homosexual reform and other social engineering.

Labour is slowly disintegrating and real Labour voters are now beginning to flow on over to the Green Party!

Green is the true new socialist left and despite the polls and the media efforts to stifle it the Green's are the real new Labour party.

National will win this time but are only going to last one more term, there are no other so called right wing contenders to take their place.

ACT has been slowly disintegrating since Rodney Hide became the leader, Brash and Banks have supercharged the destruction!

Maori in one form or another will continue to rise in their influence on the politics of the country but the direction is not currently clear.

The electorate is tired of the bullshit Labour and National have been dishing out and despite the normally benign apathetic attitude by New Zealanders in the past, the new generation is being pushed into a corner and they will have no choice but to react!

Goodbye New Zealand as we have known it, good luck kids and sorry my generation fucked it up for you!

**oneofsix** · 9th November 2011, 11:07

Originally Posted by oldrider

The polls and the media are there to ensure the continuation of the National / Labour coalition by default.

They were never intended to be there for the people!

When ACT left Labour Helen Clark and her cohorts turned the Labour's agenda into homosexual reform and other social engineering.

Labour is slowly disintegrating and real Labour voters are now beginning to flow on over to the Green Party!

Green is the true new socialist left and despite the polls and the media efforts to stifle it the Green's are the real new Labour party.

National will win this time but are only going to last one more term, there are no other so called right wing contenders to take their place.

ACT has been slowly disintegrating since Rodney Hide became the leader, Brash and Banks have supercharged the destruction!

Maori in one form or another will continue to rise in their influence on the politics of the country but the direction is not currently clear.

The electorate is tired of the bullshit Labour and National have been dishing out and despite the normally benign apathetic attitude by New Zealanders in the past, the new generation is being pushed into a corner and they will have no choice but to react!

Goodbye New Zealand as we have known it, good luck kids and sorry my generation fucked it up for you!

You take too much of the blame. It was the greed is good generation that came up through the 80s that fucked it up.
Labour disintegration started with the ACT party core when they sneaked into power under the guise of the old Labour. Helen did attempt to redress some of their excesses but spent too much time on social engineering. Don't forget a lot of the social engineering was at the Green insistence, you will have notice how much serious child abuse has reduced since the Green sponsored anti-discipline law was passed.

**Maha** · 9th November 2011, 11:11

The New Zealand economy has not as bad as it is today since the 1930's..
Possibly explains why so many (100,000) have left NZ in recent times.
On the other hand...its quite probable that the same amount (if not more) have immigrated here during the same period so it evens itself out.

**Swoop** · 9th November 2011, 11:23

Originally Posted by Swoop

We have established several things:

2: Labour will get a new leader after this election.

Looks like the Harold is seeing this happening as well.

nzhpoll4500–4550 votes
Who is the best choice to be next Labour leader?
Shane Jones (13%)David Parker (7%)David Cunliffe (19%)Andrew Little (7%)Annette King (9%)Somebody else (45%)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10764722
Labour MP Kelvin Davis has endorsed fellow Labour and Maori MP Shane Jones as a future Labour leader in the middle of an election campaign.

So... another wanker in charge of labour then?

**Banditbandit** · 9th November 2011, 11:25

Originally Posted by oldrider

When ACT left Labour Helen Clark and her cohorts turned the Labour's agenda into homosexual reform and other social engineering.

I hate to be pedantic .. but the Labour Government repealled the anti-homosexual laws in 1986 and I believe David Lange was Prime Minister ... ACT was founded in 1993 .. and many members, such as Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble were Cabinet Ministers in the Labour Government which pushed the "homosexual reform and other social engineering" changes ...

**Rhubarb** · 9th November 2011, 12:19

Originally Posted by Maha

The New Zealand economy has not as bad as it is today since the 1930's.

Not just the New Zealand economy - the 'world' economy.

Regardless who has governed NZ in the last three years they can't be blamed for the 'world' economy.

Larger, richer and more resourceful countries are in a worse position than NZ.

**rainman** · 9th November 2011, 12:46

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

I hate to be pedantic .. but the Labour Government repealled the anti-homosexual laws in 1986 and I believe David Lange was Prime Minister ... ACT was founded in 1993 .. and many members, such as Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble were Cabinet Ministers in the Labour Government which pushed the "homosexual reform and other social engineering" changes ...

I suspect many ACToids are quite socially liberal - it's entirely consistent with libertarianism - but that they lie when required to in order to keep the conservatives happy. Mr Magoo vs Banksie on drugs recently, for example. Magoo's just too dumb to stay on message, which is why they packed him off to England for a while not too long ago, I suspect.

Originally Posted by Rhubarb

Not just the New Zealand economy - the 'world' economy.

Regardless who has governed NZ in the last three years they can't be blamed for the 'world' economy.

Larger, richer and more resourceful countries are in a worse position than NZ.

I disagree. They can and should be blamed. It's called accountability. If Johnnie K and Billy E say their tax cuts will be fiscally neutral and stimulate growth, and they aren't and they don't, they should be held to account. It would happen in a business environment - they'd have their arses handed to them. Useless fuckers like Nick Smith or Murray McCully would be restructured out of harms way, not rewarded with ministerial privilege and fancy cars.

We aren't electing the world government, we're picking who will be best to deal with the shit we have now and the more shit that is coming. In that, past performance is a pretty good indication of what is ahead. The Nats like laissez-faire, low touch, cut-taxes-and-slash-spending policies, with a side order of asset sales, as they always have. These don't work and never have, particularly in recessions, and defo not in depressions. As I've explained elsewhere, partial asset-sales in a resource-shortage-driven depression are the stupidest of all possible plans. The mythology behind the Nat policy thinking has been discredited over and over by serious economists and academics. Also, the Nats always perform worse in terms of economic growth compared to Labour (not that I think they have all of the answers, mind you) - irrespective of global economic conditions. Yet most of us won't think too hard about this, and just elect "that nice Mr Key". Which would be fine if we were prepared to admit we're venal, stupid and suicidal, but that isn't often the case.

The question we really need to be asking ourselves is who is best placed to serve the interests of the enterprise that is NZ, in the medium to long term - not who will give us individually the best tax cuts, or increase in WfF, or benefit cuts for the people we love to hate, or interest free student loan or whatever. Certainly not who is more "bloke-ish" and who has the best kitten/racetrack socialite celebrity photo-ops.

Ordinarily it doesn't matter too much who wins. Given the world context, this election will have a disproportionate impact on our future. My concern is we're generally too dumb to understand the question we are being asked on 26/11.

**Winston001** · 9th November 2011, 13:19

Enough with the moaning for pitys sake! We live in a paradise compared with most countries. Open spaces, long empty beaches, clean air and water, food enough that its thrown away after the best by date. Heat pumps, cheap airfares to the Gold Coast, modern motorcycles and cars, internet most places, smart phones, good roads, sports grounds, social welfare, free healthcare, the list goes on.

If you don't believe me check out India, southern China, and most of Africa. And South America. And Central Asia.

Our "problems" are non-existant. Give thanks for living in such a blessed country.

**SPman** · 9th November 2011, 15:43

Two weeks ago, John Key told us that the money from selling off assets would be funnelled into schools and hospitals. Now, he says its going to help farmers by funding their irrigation schemes.! Sell public assets to benefit private infrastructure? Ho kay.....

I wish he'd make his fucking mind up.

Perhaps he reckons a moving target is harder to hit........

Our "problems" are non-existant. Give thanks for living in such a blessed country.

So? - We aren't voting on a tourist package......or, maybe we are........

**Banditbandit** · 9th November 2011, 15:55

Originally Posted by SPman

John Key .....

I wish he'd make his fucking mind up.

He has a mind??? I thought Don Key was a grinning glove puppet operated by Jerry Brownlie ... (Big dodgey bastard always lurking behind Don Key)

**Ocean1** · 9th November 2011, 18:18

Originally Posted by Maha

The New Zealand economy has not as bad as it is today since the 1930's..
Possibly explains why so many (100,000) have left NZ in recent times.
On the other hand...its quite probable that the same amount (if not more) have immigrated here during the same period so it evens itself out.

Are we not losing profesionals that represent economic growth assets and gaining uneducated third world economic liabilities?

'Cause eventually that would cause some economic deterioration, wouldn't it?

Oh wait...

**Ocean1** · 9th November 2011, 18:27

Originally Posted by rainman

The question we really need to be asking ourselves is who is best placed to serve the interests of the enterprise that is NZ, in the medium to long term -

Those who produce marketable product? Yes?

So we orta encourage them eh?

Fuck that was easy, NEXT!!!

**short-circuit** · 9th November 2011, 18:38

Originally Posted by mashman

Amazing how far a smile and some sheep will get ya these days...

Originally Posted by rainman

In answer to the original question, the following article may,sadly, have some relevance.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764718

It's also a shining example of what is wrong with both NZ politics and the NZ media, in a handy one page format.

http://tiny.cc/5d7mw

**Scouse** · 9th November 2011, 18:42

Originally Posted by Maha

The New Zealand economy has not as bad as it is today since the 1930's..
Possibly explains why so many (100,000) have left NZ in recent times.
On the other hand...its quite probable that the same amount (if not more) have immigrated here during the same period so it evens itself out.

Yes but the problem with that is that the we loose kiwi's unfortuneatly the the people that take their place are punjabi's