Who will win the 2011 election?

[SMOKEU]

Yes but the problem with that is that the we loose kiwi's unfortuneatly the the people that take their place are punjabi's

Exactly. Do we really want people who live like this in NZ?

[Indiana_Jones]

Yes but the problem with that is that the we loose kiwi's unfortuneatly the the people that take their place are punjabi's

It would be funny if it wasn't true.

I donno which useless cunt delivers the junk mail on my street is as they put it in my letter box even though it says "NO JUNK MAIL"....it's funny how many hoops we had to jump through to get into the country, but yet some people here can't even read

-Indy

[rainman]

Those who produce marketable product? Yes?

Only half right, but a common mistake. You're spot on that building our export industries would be a great thing to do (it's a big job that will take more than tax fiddling) - but I meant enterprise in an economic, environment and social sense - what we are, how we are perceived, how we work together, how we grow into a better NZ (not just in economic terms), how badly we mess the place up while we do... the whole damn shooting match.

http://tiny.cc/5d7mw

Now that was quite funny.

[rainman]

Exactly. Do we really want people who live like this in NZ?

Are you racist and stupid enough to suggest that they live that way by choice?

[SMOKEU]

Are you racist and stupid enough to suggest that they live that way by choice?

I have seen third world poverty first hand and know that these people do not live like that by choice. I've spent 7 years living in South Africa and I have been to the slums on several occasions where people don't even have electricity or running water.

So if we keep importing these people, when does it end? Where do we 'draw the line'? Have you thought about the huge cost, both monetary and to society of having people such as this in NZ? NZ has enough problems of its own (for a developed country), and we don't need any more people adding to it.

[mashman]

So if we keep importing these people, when does it end? Where do we 'draw the line'? Have you thought about the huge cost, both monetary and to society of having people such as this in NZ? NZ has enough problems of its own (for a developed country), and we don't need any more people adding to it.

like women, they'll work for less than the male NZ'er, which is good for business ka-ching

[SMOKEU]

like women, they'll work for less than the male NZ'er, which is good for business ka-ching

There is a huge shortage of jobs, even at the minimum wage level. Even if they're prepared to work for $2/hour, that doesn't mean that there will be a job for them.

[blue rider]

like women, they'll work for less than the male NZ'er, which is good for business ka-ching

and this is one of the saddest statements on this whole thread.....but hey its good for business, so whats not to like about it.

[mashman]

There is a huge shortage of jobs, even at the minimum wage level. Even if they're prepared to work for $2/hour, that doesn't mean that there will be a job for them.

true. The country isn't like a club or a car park, one in when one leaves. Would you begrudge anyone a benefit because they can't get a job on the basis that they weren't natively born in NZ? Or should we just export those that haven't reached the "you've put in enough tax to get some out" threshold when they come to claim? I highly doubt they'll start a "shanty" town.

[rainman]

I have seen third world poverty first hand and know that these people do not live like that by choice. I've spent 7 years living in South Africa and I have been to the slums on several occasions where people don't even have electricity or running water.

So if we keep importing these people, when does it end? Where do we 'draw the line'? Have you thought about the huge cost, both monetary and to society of having people such as this in NZ? NZ has enough problems of its own (for a developed country), and we don't need any more people adding to it.

You're missing the point. The way they live is an extrinsic attribute of the people, not an intrinsic one. You could import a "people like that", provide a good environment, access to health and education services, and they might well thrive.

Think of all the wasted human potential living in those third-world slums, doomed to a mundane life through lack of education, health, adequate nutrition, opportunity... and all because of the first world's colonial insistence on access to resources for bling.

[SMOKEU]

true. The country isn't like a club or a car park, one in when one leaves. Would you begrudge anyone a benefit because they can't get a job on the basis that they weren't natively born in NZ? Or should we just export those that haven't reached the "you've put in enough tax to get some out" threshold when they come to claim? I highly doubt they'll start a "shanty" town.

I'm an immigrant and I was on the unemployment benefit for several months. I'm not saying that we should throw people out of NZ just because they can't find a job, because it can be extremely difficult to find work for people who don't have the right qualifications or skills.

What I am trying to say is that with NZ being in the current financial trouble that it's in, we don't need any more third world immigrants who are a further drain on government funds, nor do we need more immigrants who dilute and attempt to corrupt NZ culture (especially terrorists). Once we allow "these" people in, more and more of them will want to flood into NZ to take advantage of our (comparatively) prosperous and civilized nation. Do you really want NZ to turn into a giant shithole? This is exactly what is going to happen if the mass immigration encouraged by several left wing political parties continues.

[SMOKEU]

The way they live is an extrinsic attribute of the people, not an intrinsic one. You could import a "people like that", provide a good environment, access to health and education services, and they might well thrive.

Think of all the wasted human potential living in those third-world slums, doomed to a mundane life through lack of education, health, adequate nutrition, opportunity... and all because of the first world's colonial insistence on access to resources for bling.

You're completely right. But like I said, where do we draw the line at "welcome to our country" compared to "fuck off back to India/Iraq/Sudan/{insert name of poor country here})?

[mashman]

I'm an immigrant and I was on the unemployment benefit for several months. I'm not saying that we should throw people out of NZ just because they can't find a job, because it can be extremely difficult to find work for people who don't have the right qualifications or skills.

What I am trying to say is that with NZ being in the current financial trouble that it's in, we don't need any more third world immigrants who are a further drain on government funds, nor do we need more immigrants who dilute and attempt to corrupt NZ culture (especially terrorists). Once we allow "these" people in, more and more of them will want to flood into NZ to take advantage of our (comparatively) prosperous and civilized nation.

They have to come in through immigration. If there's a requirement I guess they'll open up the doors for what's required, fooked if I know how the bar is set... similar to Indy, I had to jump through hoops and spend a small fortune to get in... pwned by the UK or not.

Do you really want NZ to turn into a giant shithole? This is exactly what is going to happen if the mass immigration encouraged by several left wing political parties continues.

As agent Smith would say, it is inevitable... given where we are and our population etc... it may be 30 - 40 years away and left and right won't matter as we'll have our quota of refugees to fill.

[SMOKEU]

They have to come in through immigration. If there's a requirement I guess they'll open up the doors for what's required, fooked if I know how the bar is set... similar to Indy, I had to jump through hoops and spend a small fortune to get in... pwned by the UK or not.



As agent Smith would say, it is inevitable... given where we are and our population etc... it may be 30 - 40 years away and left and right won't matter as we'll have our quota of refugees to fill.

I don't have a problem with white immigrants, it's just black immigrants that we don't need any more of in NZ. I challenge you to name me 1 civilized black majority country which isn't poor and corrupt. The whole Islam world is seriously f***ed, as is Africa. Many Asian countries are the same (with the exception of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and a few others).

[rainman]

...mass immigration encouraged by several left wing political parties continues.

Actually in my experience it's the ACToids and Nats who are keen on immigration to increase the size of the economy, and as others have pointed out, drive down wages. Works in agriculture with seasonal immigrant workers...

But like I said, where do we draw the line at "welcome to our country" compared to "fuck off back to India/Iraq/Sudan/{insert name of poor country here})?

Still missing the point. The poor country isn't what you're importing - it's extrinsic to the person. Of course how you import the good motivated people and decline the no-hopers, considering you'd need a sliding scale of achievement to reflect the environments they are coming from, that's a bigger question. But to insist all Sudanese or Indians are no good because they come from Sudan or India is just racist bullshit.

Back to the election though - who are you going to vote for to get your version of Fortress NZ implemented? Winnie?