Norway tragedy

**oldrider** · 26th July 2011, 09:53

Originally Posted by short-circuit

Scary. Quite a few who hang out in these forums seem to see the world through a similar lense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAwp2...ipcontrinter=1

Political Left, right, North South East or West, the whole 360 degree spectrum of ism's etc, you name it, religious this, religious that, they all become dangerous the further you go from centre!

Fanatics of all sorts lurk out there in society, occasionally some of them seep through to the surface and impose themselves upon the rest of society, such is life I suppose!

It all begins with the man/woman in the mirror!

**Katman** · 26th July 2011, 09:56

Well that was interesting viewing - and explains why the gunman always planned to be taken alive.

He wants his opportunity to present his ideology on a worldwide stage.

**Katman** · 26th July 2011, 09:59

And quite frankly, anyone who thinks that it isn't the intention of Islam to take over the world is deluding themselves.

Islam doesn't care whether it takes 100 years or 1000 years.

Thankfully it's highly unlikely to occur in my lifetime.

**short-circuit** · 26th July 2011, 10:36

Originally Posted by oldrider

It all begins with the man/woman in the mirror!

I'm glad you've had a bite cause you were one of those here I was referring to.

Did you agree with more of his maniacal ramblings than you feel comfortable with oldrider?

**placidfemme** · 26th July 2011, 11:10

Ok... I don't understand.

He is anti-muslim or whatever. Why go out and shoot mostly white kids? Where is the logic? Wouldn't you go out and shoot a bunch of muslims?

**Katman** · 26th July 2011, 11:21

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Wouldn't you go out and shoot a bunch of muslims?

And make those Muslims martyrs for their cause?

He obviously thinks that Norway's Labour Party's embracing of multi-culturism is fundamental in the spread of Islam.

**placidfemme** · 26th July 2011, 11:25

Originally Posted by Katman

And make those Muslims martyrs for their cause?

He obviously thinks that Norway's Labour Party's embracing of multi-culturism is fundamental in the spread of Islam.

Good point I guess. Still makes sense to me to shoot the people you don't like and leave the ones you do like alone.

**oneofsix** · 26th July 2011, 11:29

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Good point I guess. Still makes sense to me to shoot the people you don't like and leave the ones you do like alone.

Look at it this way. He was shooting the people he blamed for being too liberal and allowing the people he didn't like into his country. Presumably once he got rid of those then it would only leave supporters and enemies

**cold comfort** · 26th July 2011, 11:49

Futile exercise IMO. Hardly going to win any converts to his f#*%d viewpoint. The anti- immigration advocates will be keeping a low profile to distance themselves and i imagine this senseless slaughter would only engender public sympathy for further immigration. Ironically he is relying on the PC society he despises to air his sick agenda. Find some way to label the scum a terrorist and send him to Guantanamo!

**Banditbandit** · 26th July 2011, 12:02

Originally Posted by Katman

And quite frankly, anyone who thinks that it isn't the intention of Islam to take over the world is deluding themselves.

Islam doesn't care whether it takes 100 years or 1000 years.

Thankfully it's highly unlikely to occur in my lifetime.

And you think Christianity does not have exactly that objective? They've done pretty damm well at it so far ..

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Look at it this way. He was shooting the people he blamed for being too liberal and allowing the people he didn't like into his country. Presumably once he got rid of those then it would only leave supporters and enemies

Kids? He blames KIDS for letting immigrants into his country ??? He's sicker than any Islamic fundamentalist ..

**scissorhands** · 26th July 2011, 12:03

I originally thought he was aspergian, but some of his behaviour hints more at NPD

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narciss...ality_disorder

Narcissistic personality disorder NPD

The cause of this disorder is unknown, according to Groopman and Cooper. However, they list the following factors identified by various researchers as possibilities.[3]

An oversensitive temperament at birth is the main symptomatic chronic form
Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood
Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
Severe emotional abuse in childhood
Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem

Some narcissistic traits are common and a normal developmental phase. When these traits are compounded by a failure of the interpersonal environment and continue into adulthood, they may intensify to the point where NPD is diagnosed.[4] Some psychotherapists believe that the etiology of the disorder is, in Freudian terms, the result of fixation to early childhood development.[5] If a child does not receive sufficient recognition for their talents during about ages 3–7 they will never mature and continue to be in the narcissistic early development stage.[6][dubious – discuss]

A 1994 study by Gabbard and Twemlow[7] reports that histories of incest, especially mother-son incest, are associated with NPD in some male patients.
[edit] Theories

Pathological narcissism occurs in a spectrum of severity. In its more extreme forms, it is narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). NPD is considered to result from a person's belief that they are flawed in a way that makes them fundamentally unacceptable to others.[8] This belief is held below the person's conscious awareness; such a person would, if questioned, typically deny thinking such a thing. In order to protect themselves against the intolerably painful rejection and isolation that (they imagine) would follow if others recognised their (perceived) defective nature, such people make strong attempts to control others’ views of them and behavior towards them.

Pathological narcissism can develop from an impairment in the quality of the person's relationship with their primary caregivers, usually their parents, in that the parents were unable to form a healthy and empathic attachment to them.[citation needed] This results in the child's perception of himself/herself as unimportant and unconnected to others. The child typically comes to believe they have some personality defect that makes them unvalued and unwanted.[9]

Narcissistic personality disorder is isolating, disenfranchising, painful, and formidable for those living with it and often those who are in a relationship with them. Distinctions need to be made among those who have NPD because not every person with NPD is the same. Even with similar core issues, the way in which one's individual narcissism manifests itself in his or her relationships varies.[citation needed]

To the extent that people are pathologically narcissistic, they can be controlling, blaming, self-absorbed, intolerant of others’ views, unaware of others' needs and of the effects of their behavior on others, and insistent that others see them as they wish to be seen.[6]

People who are overly narcissistic commonly feel rejected, humiliated and threatened when criticised. To protect themselves from these dangers, they often react with disdain, rage, and/or defiance to any slight criticism, real or imagined.[10] To avoid such situations, some narcissistic people withdraw socially and may feign modesty or humility. In cases where the narcissistic personality-disordered individual feels a lack of admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation, he/she may also manifest wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply).

Although individuals with NPD are often ambitious and capable, the inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional achievements.[11] With narcissistic personality disorder, the individual's self-perceived fantastic grandiosity, often coupled with a hypomanic mood, is typically not commensurate with his or her real accomplishments.

The exploitativeness, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, disregard for others, and constant need for attention inherent in NPD adversely affect interpersonal relationships.
[edit] Splitting
Main article: Splitting (psychology)

People who are diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder use splitting (black and white thinking) as a central defense mechanism. They do this to preserve their self-esteem, by seeing the self as purely good and the others as purely bad. The use of splitting also implies the use of other defense mechanisms, namely devaluation, idealization and denial.[12]
[edit] Relationship to shame

It has been suggested that narcissistic personality disorder may be related to defenses against shame.[13]

Psychiatrist Glen Gabbard suggested NPD could be broken down into two subtypes.[14] He saw the "oblivious" subtype as being grandiose, arrogant, and thick-skinned and the "hypervigilant" subtype as being easily hurt, oversensitive, and ashamed. In his view, the oblivious subtype presents for admiration, envy, and appreciation a powerful, grandiose self that is the antithesis of a weak internalized self, which hides in shame, while the hypervigilant subtype neutralizes devaluation by seeing others as unjust abusers.

Dr. Jeffrey Young, who coined the term "Schema Therapy", a technique originally developed by psychiatrist Aaron T. Beck (1979), also links NPD and shame. He sees the so-called Defectiveness Schema as a core schema of NPD, along with the Emotional Deprivation and Entitlement Schemas.[

**short-circuit** · 26th July 2011, 12:06

Originally Posted by scissorhands

I originally thought he was aspergian, but some of his behaviour hints more at NPD

Narcissistic personality disorder NPD...etc

Everyone's a psychiatrist - all ya need is wikipedia apparently

**Banditbandit** · 26th July 2011, 12:06

Whatever .. aspergers ... NPD .. fucked in the head ...

Shoot the prick ...

**Paul in NZ** · 26th July 2011, 12:07

Increasing pressure on western societies, increase in social media allowing disaffected loners to quickly find others of a similar mindset coupled with easy access to dangerous weapons are potential concerns for us peaceful types.

Basically this guy was hoping to take out the next generation of Labour Party leaders or cause their parents to over react and kick off a ‘rebellion’. Which is kinda nutty as Norwegians are really quite a wealthy society and functional so are unlikely to want to rock that boat too much….

If you take a wider view of the state of the whole western world it is arguable that we are coming to the end of a period of growth and stability. Several European states are pretty well bankrupted and thus unstable and even the USA is getting the speed wobbles. It can also be argued that the great ‘globalisation’ experiment of the last few decades has caused this as well as creating an unwanted underclass in many countries but regardless of that – its reasonable to suggest that there is likely to be a lot more pressure on 'western' societies in the short term.

Pressure – change – loss. All triggers for the borderline nutcase to pull on his uniform, dust of his semi auto and head for the middle of town to start his revolution. Sad…. Anyway – lets always remember that WE are good people and WE can stop this but not getting swept up in the hatred.