Enjoying the Carbon Scam?

[Swoop]

The scheme does not prevent or stop pollution, which is the aim. It merely moves the blame around.

http://www.cheatneutral.com/ has the same system.

[Quasievil]

Could somebody please explain how emissions trading is a scam? A fraudulent scheme designed to steal money.

What are the names of the scammers? How did they do it?

Yes. It was built on the back of the "man made" global warming theory via carbons causing it.
This isnt truthful.

Therefore it is a scam or a fraud, however sadly its one that has been embraced and possibly LEAD by some governments and interest groups towards it becoming an income stream, which it is.
Who are the Scammers, there are many, but this grew into a dirty great big lie very quickly with encouragement from.......... IPCC and its "in the pocket, seeking funding" scientists , Al Gore, stupid Media bandwagoners, right through to the Nats and our good friend Nick Smith.
How did they do it? scaremongering via various means using the winning "we are all going to die if you dont do this" tactics add to it the ever enthusiatic looney greens and green peace nutters and pressure groups and the governments of the world.

It infected the stupid like a religion, societies became blinded by this crap and few questioned it, and now we can all "save the planet" by paying a new tax called the ................which of course hasnt and wont EVER change a fucking thing.

[Spearfish]

NZ the super power of influence around the world.......China will shake in thier rice bowl at a awesome power of NZ's ETS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...xide_emissions

[Quasievil]

So what is it achieving? Why the need to charge money and who has the rights to sell "carbon credits" Can I have some for my trees?

Someone is profiting from this, to think otherwise would be silly.

Good to see a few on here that can think.

Actually thats rude, there are two sides to anything I know this, however this is the side that is reinforced with Facts as opposed to lies.

No one wants the world to die, no one wants pollution to reign.

But what we dont want and shouldnt want is scams like this pulling money out of our pockets for nothing.

[Badjelly]

YET ANOTHER damning piece of scientific FACT that is blowing a "Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism" bullshit.

To late now the policies are in place and the milking of YOUR dollar is well underway !

http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow...192334971.html

It's nice to see you've resumed your efforts to learn about climate change science, Quasi. Last I heard, you'd swallowed Air Con whole and decided that you knew everything about the subject. And here you are reading a peer-reviewed scientific paper!

You have read the paper, haven't you?

[ducatilover]

We certainly don't want the world to die, I'm all for solutions to pollution (Excuse the crap rhyme). I fail to see how a carbon credit selling system works....if you pollute you can buy credits and keep polluting? WTF?

[Quasievil]

It's nice to see you've resumed your efforts to learn about climate change science, Quasi. Last I heard, you'd swallowed Air Con whole and decided that you knew everything about the subject. And here you are reading a peer-reviewed scientific paper!

You have read the paper, haven't you?

Did you have a point amongst that?

[Banditbandit]

We certainly don't want the world to die, I'm all for solutions to pollution (Excuse the crap rhyme). I fail to see how a carbon credit selling system works....if you pollute you can buy credits and keep polluting? WTF?

No. In simplistic terms ... If you pollute you can buy carbon credits from someone who has stopped polluting - or from someone who has planted trees to soak up the carbon ... if you can't buy credits then you have to stop polluting.

Overall it should reduce the amount of carbon produced into the atmosphere

[oneofsix]

No. In simplistic terms ... If you produce carbon emissions you can buy carbon credits from someone who has stopped producing carbon emissions - or from someone who has planted trees to soak up the carbon ... if you can't buy credits then you have to stop producing carbon emissions.

Overall it should reduce the amount of carbon produced into the atmosphere

there just fixed that for you Banditbandit. Got to get the story straight. They don't give a about pollution it is about carbon emissions, well actually about making money buy trading in credits for carbon, you the stuff that all life forms are based on.

[Quasievil]

Overall it should reduce the amount of carbon produced into the atmosphere

How will they measure that to see if it does exactly?

at a current total human contribution of 1.7% towards the total Carbon Dioxide emissions on the planet they wont be able to.............aint that convenient.

we are already divided and conquered, thos little payments on your gas and power bills and everything you purchase already exist, it aint going to go away now ever.

[DEATH_INC.]

if you can't buy credits then you have to stop polluting.

So who's enforcing this? Best they pop off to China....

[Badjelly]

It suggests that any position you take in this argument might be influenced by the need to maintain your job ...

For what it's worth, I don't think Quasi holds the opinions he does on global warming (comprehensively wrong as they are) because of his job.

[bogan]

So what is it achieving? Why the need to charge money and who has the rights to sell "carbon credits" Can I have some for my trees?

Someone is profiting from this, to think otherwise would be silly.

You only get monery for trees if they are new ones, and you lose money if you cut down old ones I think.

It seems like an ass backwards system which does an exceeding shit job of repairing the moral bankruptcy exhibited by some corporations.

I'm a greenie in that I think we need to maximise use of renewable resources, and minimse pollution, but there are enough reasons to do these things without having to scaremonger and tax the general public with this sort of bollocks.

[Badjelly]

Did you have a point amongst that?

You're proclaiming the scientific article in question as YET ANOTHER damning SCIENTIFIC FACT on the basis of a press release. Are you sure? Wouldn't it be a good idea to be just a wee bit sceptical?

[Scuba_Steve]

You only get monery for trees if they are new ones, and you lose money if you cut down old ones I think.

It seems like an ass backwards system which does an exceeding shit job of repairing the moral bankruptcy exhibited by some corporations.

I'm a greenie in that I think we need to maximise use of renewable resources, and minimse pollution, but there are enough reasons to do these things without having to scaremonger and tax the general public with this sort of bollocks.

See here is a good "greenie" ^.
Scamming people doesn't solve anything.