Kronic banned

[cold comfort]

So your take on this is: "We have alcohol causing known long term problems and effects, ergo we should also allow Kronic too- even if we DON'T know what its long term effects are"?

No actually- i say again, i don't support Kronic, or any other of these dodgy preparations but there are a raft of good reasons to can it more compelling than the 'long term effects'. My point is even when we DO know the long term effects of a drug effective action is not taken. (I would have thought you of all people would have had a guts full of the alcohol fallout). There have been recent studies and a very thought provoking documentary series demonstrating "the war on drugs" is not working, in fact the problem is increasing.Just look at Mexico. Surely it is time for a more innovative approach then merely banning.

[scumdog]

N (I would have thought you of all people would have had a guts full of the alcohol fallout).

True, hence why my earlier comment on alcohol - ban it too for all I care.

After all, Gov't control, education, heavy taxes etc haven't worked with alcohol has it?

So I doubt if all the proposed ideas by those pro-cannabis/Kronic etc would work either.

[Usarka]

As they should be. Products like Kronic are about making a dollar out of a legal loophole. One day New Zealand will have proper legislation about dietary supplements and other non-medicinal products so that people who buy them know what's in them. There's no such thing as a "safe" product, including water.

That's not the issue here. I've done some research and one of the main ingredients is something called JWH - there are a few variants, but it is currently legal in NZ. So if they labelled it, does this mean it would be ok? No. They labelled the party pill stuff, and that got banned too..... but new variants keep emerging.

The real issue is the fear of drugs and the desire to put a blanket ban on anything that people use for recreational use apart from alcohol and ciggarettes.

I'm really interested to see what they do here. And I'm really interested to see if it does affect the many supplements which have evidence of working, but don't have the pharmaceutically backed research required to tick all the boxes to get them into mainstream medicine.

[cold comfort]

After all, Gov't control, education, heavy taxes etc haven't worked with alcohol has it?

So I doubt if all the proposed ideas by those pro-cannabis/Kronic etc would work either.

(1) As for Govt control-they have stopped short of instituting the really effective controls ie price and supply. (When this was applied in the UK Drs noticed a drop in liver problems). Discounted selling in supermarkets and dairies and minimum pricing in the too hard basket.


(2) Maybe, but you seem to assume ANY concept other than a blanket ban implies support. With the current ban at least possession will not be an offence thus saving the taxpayer from tedious and unnecessary court proceedings.

[Usarka]

Discounted selling in supermarkets and dairies and minimum pricing in the too hard basket.

It has nothing to do with difficulty. It has something to do with politics, but it has even more to do with lobbying by the brewerys.

[Hitcher]

And I'm really interested to see if it does affect the many supplements which have evidence of working, but don't have the pharmaceutically backed research required to tick all the boxes to get them into mainstream medicine.

By "mainstream medicine" do you mean properly trained and qualified practitioners whose training is grounded in science and whose competence is peer reviewed and certified by robust practice standards?

[Usarka]

By "mainstream medicine" do you mean properly trained and qualified practitioners whose training is grounded in science and whose competence is peer reviewed and certified by robust practice standards?

I'll answer that with a true strory.

After I knocked my head a couple of years ago I asked a specialist if I should take a particualr supplement. He said "good idea".

This guy is a very senior and well respected quack, and I was intrigued so asked why he hadn't prescribed it previously

His response: I can't prescribe it because it hasn't gone through the trials needed to make it a prescribed medicine. But there is a large body of evidence to support it's effectiveness and it is worth trying.

The reality is that it takes more than research to get a medicine approved. It takes very very costly trials. There is no cost benefit for going through these trials for a naturally occuring supplement, because you cannot patent it.

Am I saying that all supplements and alternatives are good? Far from it. A lot of it is as you say. But some stuff has been shown to work, just not to the uber-expensive standard applied by the pharmaceutical companies. Why haven't they done this? Not because it doesn't work, but because there's no profit.

[mashman]

Am I saying that all supplements and alternatives are good? Far from it. A lot of it is as you say. But some stuff has been shown to work, just not to the uber-expensive standard applied by the pharmaceutical companies. Why haven't they done this? Not because it doesn't work, but because there's no profit.

Maybe they have read this "research"

No Phenazepam in Kronic - ESR... hmmmmmm.

OMG Dunne reveals he smoked cannabis (likely choked, I mean toked on it and decided there and then that his crusade in life would be to protect the public from themselves, by removing anything he (and his fuckwit mates) decides is bad for us. Your choices? turned into law by Mr Dunne? Am I that incapable of looking after myself? Even if that includes damaging my health (motorcycle, MSG, gluten, STD, trip and fall, bug etc...). It all costs us money. Especially if the NZ govt now has to defend itself against drug peddlers and their very expensive lawyers. Legalise the big C Dunny. get it over and done with. End of story.

[jazfender]

OMG Dunne reveals he smoked cannabis

Peter Dunne does not look like a dude you'd share a j with.

[mashman]

Peter Dunne does not look like a dude you'd share a j with.

Oh I Dunn-o (snigger)... I'm sure he's a hoot at parties.

[Usarka]

Well that legislation worked about as well as it was ever going to.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10756367

[oneofsix]

Well that legislation worked about as well as it was ever going to.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10756367

more money wasted on pointless laws. Of course they don't need to advertise it, the ever so responsible news media will do that for them

[jazfender]

Lather, rinse, repeat.

[jazfender]

Don't worry kids, Peter "I inhaled" Dunne has announced that these will be banned too.

We will be safe again.

[mashman]

Well that legislation worked about as well as it was ever going to.....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10756367

yippeeeeeee

Don't worry kids, Peter "I inhaled" Dunne has announced that these will be banned too.

We will be safe again.

ahhh bollocks... we should start a thread discussing the decriminalisation of marijuana, and they should make a law to stop it from hitting the shelves