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    Moto Academy NZ - Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup selection spot

    Moto Academy NZ has available a postition for a young NZ rider at the Rookies Cup selection 2012 to be held in Spain in early October.

    Follow in the footsteps of Nick Cain, Luke Jameson, Avalon Biddle, Jake Lewis and Dan Mettam and go one step further!!

    Our position means that the rider does not need to proceed through the regular 'Road to Rookies Cup' pre-selection, although we do complete all of the forms and follow the process.

    Riders must be 13-16 but rider who will turn 13 and 17 during the Rookies Cup season will also be considered.

    If anyone is interested, visit www.redbullrookiescup.com to check it out and then contact me via here or check out our website www.motoacademy.co.nz.

    Steve Bagshaw
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    so if i am 18 in october am i too old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matchless-G80 View Post
    so if i am 18 in october am i too old?
    You are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too old already

    And unfortunately, even if you were the right age, you are too big. They have quite strict criteria on rider size too as they have neither time nor budget to put together different sized bikes.
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    Bump.

    Is there no one interested in this opportunity?
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    There are hundreds potentially interested in this. The problem is the lack of interest
    of our sport's national and club leadership to follow the right steps. For NZ to succeed is simple. Match the Europeans at their own game. This means we need Junior Road Racing at 10-13 years old. We have the rules, bikes and infrastructure all set to go, but no one will get off their butts and support /promote it.
    And why doen't anyone get interested? Probably cos it takes hard work, patience and time to take a 10 year old thru to a top racer at 14. It's a fact, at 16 you're "old" in the world context. I think most of what little support in NZ comes from people who want instant results and/or association with someone winning (makes them look good)
    Fix that and we'll have plenty of young kiwis on the world stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveyb View Post
    Bump.

    Is there no one interested in this opportunity?
    I'm keen as a bean mate, just my boy is only three so has a couple of years to go yet.............
    Vote David Bain for MNZ president

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    Quote Originally Posted by White trash View Post
    I'm keen as a bean mate, just my boy is only three so has a couple of years to go yet.............


    Just tie him down and Stretch him mt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Just tie him down and Stretch him mt
    Well he already weighs as much as most of the 125 Jockeys I've seen, so maybe that's a plan.
    Vote David Bain for MNZ president

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    Yep WT, your young one is a bit young. But seriously, I bet there are a heap of KB'rs out there with 10 / 11 year olds who'd love to give it a go around Taupo, Hampton or Manfeild on a 50. There are 100's if not 1000's doing it off road, with horrendous cost to wallet and bodies. Get them over into Road Racing. You'd only need six and a letter to your club asking for a Training/Young Junior Road Race class. Surely they have as much right as a handful of sidecar riders, and an infinitely better investment for the sport's future. Easy.
    This is the South Island way, and all the names Steve mentioned above have benefitted from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyster View Post
    There are hundreds potentially interested in this. The problem is the lack of interest
    of our sport's national and club leadership to follow the right steps. For NZ to succeed is simple. Match the Europeans at their own game. This means we need Junior Road Racing at 10-13 years old. We have the rules, bikes and infrastructure all set to go, but no one will get off their butts and support /promote it.
    And why doen't anyone get interested? Probably cos it takes hard work, patience and time to take a 10 year old thru to a top racer at 14. It's a fact, at 16 you're "old" in the world context. I think most of what little support in NZ comes from people who want instant results and/or association with someone winning (makes them look good)
    Fix that and we'll have plenty of young kiwis on the world stage.
    Couldnt agree more,However its a two way street and for the past 5 years Ive had a number of 150s available for people to dip their toe in so to speak with very limited success,So far this year the only takers have been Tyler Lincoln at the National round at Manfeild and Conor London at rd 3 of the Actrix series,The 8 150s I have are now all for sale as are the Prolite machines as Im sick of banging my head against a brick wall.

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    $$$$$costs ??
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    Complete sentences work better.
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    Ok, so Oyster makes valid points and in our small ways various people are trying to make a difference. Demographics and geographics make things different and difficult for different groups. But the overall point is valid.

    But for this opportunity I/we have one spot available, now. It costs money to get to Europe for a few days, about $5k each person all up realistically, less if one can skimp a bit here and there. I hear that Air Asia fares are good. No other costs are involved.
    But that aside, the rider that gets selected needs to be a good rider. Riders of the quality and better of Dan Mettam, Avalon Biddle, Jake Lewis etc.
    So, what about readers here talking to your local junior coordinators/trainers of road and MX riders to see if the best of them are interested?
    We must send a good rider with potential, not necessarily an NZ champion, or no one at all. The latter is looking likely at the moment.

    The reason why this is now in the market is that the young rider (and family) we had selected has decided for their own reasons, to pull out. This is disappointing for me of course as I really think he is the type of rider they will be looking for. But it would be them doing it and paying for it, not me, so it is fair enough and of course, their call. Like most NZ families, they do not have a money tree growing in the yard and want to focus instead on racing locally for now.

    But Rookies Cup are not looking for national champion riders with 10 years experience, those riders often have bad habits that are hard to break. That is why they look for young riders who just exhibit raw talent.

    Anyone who saw Hafiq ride here last summer will know what level of raw speed they are looking for. But even though he had never raced 125GP before, he had already developed really bad habits at only 14 years old from racing step-troughs. Habits that he is finding really difficult to break. This is another reason why getting riders onto real race bikes (125GP) and off streetbikes as soon as possible is very important.

    Anyway, I am sort of at a loss to understand why I am not innundated with enquiries really. Not committments necessarily, but enquiries at least, because like it not, the Rookies Cup (and maybe the Junior Development Cup for the WSBK side) is the ONLY way that an NZ rider from NZ will make it to the world championships of this sport at the present time. All the talent in the world will get you nowhere beyond NZ in this sport these days. It has moved on along way from the days of chucking a bike in a van with a mate and hitting the GP circus.

    If someone takes the punt to set up a race team in Moto3 or even Moto2 (emminently doable with the new bikes I would now think) or someone moves to Europe to follow the Stoner path, then other avenues will open up. But for now, most of the top riders in 125GP this year and also in Moto2 have come through either Rookies Cup or CEV (Campionato de Espanol de Velocidad) and almost all of the 125 riders have been a part of Rookies Cup in the past 3 years or so.

    And if you are selected for Rookies Cup you are almost racing in the Word Championships, for free!!! Same circuits, race days, same crowds, same team managers, same sponsors. It is no coincidence that the riders in 125GP have almost all come through Rookies Cup, RedBull Academy or CEV.

    Anyway, it is one of my attempts to do something for the future of the sport. I got off my arse (ample though it is) and dragged myself away from the TV (as hard as that was) to negotiate this with Rookies Cup. It isn't the same as having an actual spot in Rookies Cup itself, but sidesteps the first hurdle. Imagine if a rider did get selected, what milage that would get in NZ and how sweet you would feel. It would be a shame for this to go unused, but I won't suggest a rider who is not up to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveyb View Post
    Ok, so Oyster makes valid points and in our small ways various people are trying to make a difference. Demographics and geographics make things different and difficult for different groups. But the overall point is valid.

    But for this opportunity I/we have one spot available, now. It costs money to get to Europe for a few days, about $5k each person all up realistically, less if one can skimp a bit here and there. I hear that Air Asia fares are good. No other costs are involved.
    But that aside, the rider that gets selected needs to be a good rider. Riders of the quality and better of Dan Mettam, Avalon Biddle, Jake Lewis etc.
    So, what about readers here talking to your local junior coordinators/trainers of road and MX riders to see if the best of them are interested?
    We must send a good rider with potential, not necessarily an NZ champion, or no one at all. The latter is looking likely at the moment.

    The reason why this is now in the market is that the young rider (and family) we had selected has decided for their own reasons, to pull out. This is disappointing for me of course as I really think he is the type of rider they will be looking for. But it would be them doing it and paying for it, not me, so it is fair enough and of course, their call. Like most NZ families, they do not have a money tree growing in the yard and want to focus instead on racing locally for now.

    But Rookies Cup are not looking for national champion riders with 10 years experience, those riders often have bad habits that are hard to break. That is why they look for young riders who just exhibit raw talent.

    Anyone who saw Hafiq ride here last summer will know what level of raw speed they are looking for. But even though he had never raced 125GP before, he had already developed really bad habits at only 14 years old from racing step-troughs. Habits that he is finding really difficult to break. This is another reason why getting riders onto real race bikes (125GP) and off streetbikes as soon as possible is very important.

    Anyway, I am sort of at a loss to understand why I am not innundated with enquiries really. Not committments necessarily, but enquiries at least, because like it not, the Rookies Cup (and maybe the Junior Development Cup for the WSBK side) is the ONLY way that an NZ rider from NZ will make it to the world championships of this sport at the present time. All the talent in the world will get you nowhere beyond NZ in this sport these days. It has moved on along way from the days of chucking a bike in a van with a mate and hitting the GP circus.

    If someone takes the punt to set up a race team in Moto3 or even Moto2 (emminently doable with the new bikes I would now think) or someone moves to Europe to follow the Stoner path, then other avenues will open up. But for now, most of the top riders in 125GP this year and also in Moto2 have come through either Rookies Cup or CEV (Campionato de Espanol de Velocidad) and almost all of the 125 riders have been a part of Rookies Cup in the past 3 years or so.

    And if you are selected for Rookies Cup you are almost racing in the Word Championships, for free!!! Same circuits, race days, same crowds, same team managers, same sponsors. It is no coincidence that the riders in 125GP have almost all come through Rookies Cup, RedBull Academy or CEV.

    Anyway, it is one of my attempts to do something for the future of the sport. I got off my arse (ample though it is) and dragged myself away from the TV (as hard as that was) to negotiate this with Rookies Cup. It isn't the same as having an actual spot in Rookies Cup itself, but sidesteps the first hurdle. Imagine if a rider did get selected, what milage that would get in NZ and how sweet you would feel. It would be a shame for this to go unused, but I won't suggest a rider who is not up to it.

    As you were.
    Probably because you you put it on kiwibiker which is just full of dickheads and wanabees i suspect

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixerracer View Post
    Probably because you you put it on kiwibiker which is just full of dickheads and wanabees i suspect
    That sounds so wrong.
    If there's so many wanabees on here (can't argue with the dickheads part of it), why the hell aren't they enquiring about the offer?

    Put another post in the offroad forum, possibly a lot of those guys don't come in here as road racing ain't their scene.

    I know there are some good young dirt riders out there, if you're looking for raw road-riding talent. (yeah, mixing up yours and Choppa's threads a bit). Speedway probably has as well.

    It seems dumb to me that you're crying out to help some youngsters, and then they bitch they can't get "sponsorship". Guess it depends on what they consider sponsorship (free bikes, free gear, free everything, plus a $1m payment - dreamers, that's not reality at the level they're riding at).

    Hmm, ask Birchy to have a go when he comes home next (Xmas time), he's great with the kids and a lot of the Waitemata kids have grown up idolising him. The Neild boys are great as well. (Just too old and big to be contenders on the world circuit). Damn, those riders are tiny. (Rogan and Tyler, you two need to not grow lol).

    Anyway, good luck and I hope your offer doesn't go to waste

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