Stupid World

[blue rider]

stuff

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/21-4

[unstuck]

[blue rider]

housing US of A Edition, the same as the NZ Edition

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...t-says-it-all/

[mashman]

housing US of A Edition, the same as the NZ Edition

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...t-says-it-all/

Ach that's just merca. It'll never happen here.

[Akzle]

housing US of A Edition, the same as the NZ Edition

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...t-says-it-all/

happy happy love love.
Niggaz better invest in a caravan. When the metaphorical s h t f, gonna want one.
Also. Get away from townies, cyclists, and suv owners.

[blue rider]

The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire 103rd Anniversary

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/03/25-0

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=tr...ih=898&dpr=0.9

“This is not the first time girls have been burned alive in the city. Every week I must learn of the untimely death of one of my sister workers. Every year thousands of us are maimed. The life of men and women is so cheap and property is so sacred. There are so many of us for one job, it matters little if 146 of us are burned to death.

Bangladesh 2012, New York 1911


stupid world indeed

[Brian d marge]

happy happy love love.
Niggaz better invest in a caravan. When the metaphorical s h t f, gonna want one.
Also. Get away from townies, cyclists, and suv owners.

When SHTF im going shopping

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

The IMF Roxs
Snip:
A cut in energy subsidies to consumers has been one of the conditions of an international rescue deal and on Wednesday Ukraine's interim government agreed to raise domestic gas prices by 50% in its effort to secure the IMF aid package.

hey why don’t we sell the assets , and use market forces , or how about that tired old formula for lending money , you know the one , the one that Bolivia didnt want ! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/14/bu...pagewanted=all



If they want me to pull the plow , I will pull the plow . If they want me to work down the mines , I will go. Just dont lie to me as that pisses me off ....

Stephen

[avgas]

The Triangle Shirtwaist Fire 103rd Anniversary
http://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/03/25-0
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=tr...ih=898&dpr=0.9
Bangladesh 2012, New York 1911
stupid world indeed

Greymouth

Auckland

If you have a look in NZ we have had the same incidents happen there year after year. I know because both were very personal to me. In some areas of NZ we are working people literally to the bone.

[Akzle]

In some areas of NZ we are working people literally to the bone.

courtney place? Kay-ranga-happy road? Pretty much every female in the waikato?

[avgas]

courtney place? Kay-ranga-happy road? Pretty much every female in the waikato?

Unfortunately pun is not intended in this instance. People are being killed in very non-funny ways. (at work).

Our OSH and its appointed police have a lot of work to do before I will consider them useful. To many preventable deaths, and unsafe workplaces/work practices.

[blue rider]

Unfortunately pun is not intended in this instance. People are being killed in very non-funny ways. (at work).

Our OSH and its appointed police have a lot of work to do before I will consider them useful. To many preventable deaths, and unsafe workplaces/work practices.

These two incidents that I have listed were not preventable by OSH inspections but by the Owners of the Factories not locking the doors.
In both cases, workers could not escape the fire because the exits were locked and or blocked.

But lets not have Unions that would argue for better working conditions. Lets have OSH, manned by some ex Manager from the Free Enterprise Institute or some such thing. Because Unions are evil and job destroying.

As for NZ, Mining / Logging comes to mind, where the only ones concerned about workplace safety are the workers. The bosses are just concerned that one might leave before the bell rings.

There are so many of us for one job, it matters little if 146 of us are burned to death.

So true for our times.

[avgas]

These two incidents that I have listed were not preventable by OSH inspections but by the Owners of the Factories not locking the doors.
In both cases, workers could not escape the fire because the exits were locked and or blocked.
But lets not have Unions that would argue for better working conditions. Lets have OSH, manned by some ex Manager from the Free Enterprise Institute or some such thing. Because Unions are evil and job destroying.
As for NZ, Mining / Logging comes to mind, where the only ones concerned about workplace safety are the workers. The bosses are just concerned that one might leave before the bell rings.
So true for our times.

Yeah Nah.
Unions themselves are double edge swords. Kinda like politicians. I am sure there are good, hardworking, honest politicians who want to improve things........and then there are the ones whom get pushed to the top of the heap and into the tin.
Union bosses are much the same. In the good old days - a union boss was a fellow worker. Now days they are just employed beneficiaries. They don't face 1/10000 of what the workers are facing - they just shout the loudest because they can afford to.

I have been called a scab, by people whom have never REALLY worked a day in their lives. If they can't have respect for me trying to earn to live, while they mooch off the pleas of the many........lets just say I flush more important things down the toilet. Usually with more consistency also.

Want to improve workers conditions.....try talking the workers. They usually only ask you satisfy basic needs. Unions may argue for better working conditions, but rarely to they understand what "Better" means. It's usually not money, and their is a bunch of research to prove that.
Now if a worker is protesting........you can bet your bottom dollar there is a need not being met........not a want.

Most OSH people (in NZ) are actually good folk. Problem is they are few and far between. They don't want to shut people down, they don't want people fired. They just want basic needs met. But if your stretched for time/resources.....what are you going to do?
Most trade based people are concerned about OSH, but the problem exists that there is no one slamming employers - even when they get caught. That is the governments job, and they are failing.

We shouldn't copy anyones model for how NZ should be run, instead we should be making a hybrid of all the good parts and making that work. From what I see the following would be a good starting point:
- Unions ONLY filled with workers, for the workers, subsidies through unemployment funds. (Preventative Unemployment is what you could call it)
- OSH funding/power to force workers to be paid while situations are fixed at companies expense
- OSH fines to re-emburse affected employees and their next of kin. This includes all failures under H&S.
- Government initiatives for improving H&S in the workplace. (not just adverts on TV - but actual scholarship funds that fix problems).

Basically roll things back 40 years.

[Ocean1]

Most OSH people (in NZ) are actually good folk.

Most OSH people I've met are dead ringers for those union bosses, Drones with no idea at all about cost - benefit ratios. In fact the industry's training material specifically forbids any attempt at costing safety initiatives.

Drones cause people to receive a formal warning if spotted descending stairs not holding the handrail.

Another for failing to have a lid on your hot coffee.

Another for rolling up the sleeves of your overalls.

Basically roll things back 40 years.

Yup, you could take NZ Marine dept advice about safety seriously, it was specific and well disseminated, which is more than you can say for today's moronic "we're not experts in your industry so we can't be expected to advise you, but if someone ends up hurt we'll see you in court".

How can anyone take that lot seriously?

[Brian d marge]

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/re-nationalise-gas-and-electricity/?state=thanks

I thought this was a bad idea? The competition would drive down the prices and we would all benefit

Oh silly me !

Stephen