Stupid World

[Akzle]

Then maybe the should have spent their handout on food rather than a new iPhone and a slab of piss.

what about african kids, who dont get any of those things?


Cold and hungry. Like smokeu.

[bogan]

Then how are the slacker element going to be dealt with, without being the detriment to society as a whole that you perceive them to be?

Two main ways, put them to work, and minimise their cost to society.

Perhaps it would be more beneficial for you to focus on the main point of my post instead of getting all murdery; that tipping point of plenty is the most viable way to a utopia, TVP are using the same theory.

[mashman]

Two main ways, put them to work, and minimise their cost to society.

You may not be Htiler, but that sounds mighty Nazi'ish to me... and doomed to failure given that there will always be slackers.

Perhaps it would be more beneficial for you to focus on the main point of my post instead of getting all murdery; that tipping point of plenty is the most viable way to a utopia, TVP are using the same theory.

In what way is it the most viable way?

[bogan]

You may not be Htiler, but that sounds mighty Nazi'ish to me... and doomed to failure given that there will always be slackers.

Why are you so fixated on murdering or othewise eliminating all slackers?

In what way is it the most viable way?

Viably. In that it is the path the enlightened already traverse; instead of demanding massive change and forcing others, people can just be the change they wish to see. I think this doesn't sit well with a lot of advocates of massive change simply because the cost of becoming that change is more than they are capable of.

[Ocean1]

what about african kids, who dont get any of those things?


Cold and hungry. Like smokeu.

They don't live here. And you don't like it here. Maybe you should go show 'em how it's done.

[Ocean1]

I think this doesn't sit well with a lot of advocates of massive change simply because the cost of becoming that change is more than they are capable of.

Pretty much. If they were responsible for their lives then they couldn't blame "the system" for their many and various problems.

[mashman]

Why are you so fixated on murdering or othewise eliminating all slackers?

I'm not. You are. Ya know, "put zem to work".

Viably. In that it is the path the enlightened already traverse; instead of demanding massive change and forcing others, people can just be the change they wish to see. I think this doesn't sit well with a lot of advocates of massive change simply because the cost of becoming that change is more than they are capable of.

Demanding? Forcing? Who is? I'm glad I'm not advocating massive change then.

[mashman]

Pretty much. If they were responsible for their lives then they couldn't blame "the system" for their many and various problems.

Aye, some folk should just know their place.

[bogan]

I'm not. You are. Ya know, "put zem to work".



Demanding? Forcing? Who is? I'm glad I'm not advocating massive change then.

Not all of them, just make it more attractive to work than be a slacker in order to minimise their societal cost.

No throwing out the financial system is as easy as changing a lightbulb

[Brian d marge]

Heres an idea

How about a subsistance level dole and a non compulsory work scheme ya can get the dole andif yawant some extra benmore dam or tree planting awaits . . .not as lucrative as growing some weed but. . A fair days yakka never killed anyone

[mashman]

Not all of them, just make it more attractive to work than be a slacker in order to minimise their societal cost.

No throwing out the financial system is as easy as changing a lightbulb

How do you make it more attractive?

For some of us it seems to be. I've given you a method to do so but you keep putting up road blocks.

[mashman]

Heres an idea

How about a subsistance level dole and a non compulsory work scheme ya can get the dole andif yawant some extra benmore dam or tree planting awaits . . .not as lucrative as growing some weed but. . A fair days yakka never killed anyone

Isn't that kinda like how it works at the moment

[bogan]

Heres an idea

How about a subsistance level dole and a non compulsory work scheme ya can get the dole andif yawant some extra benmore dam or tree planting awaits . . .not as lucrative as growing some weed but. . A fair days yakka never killed anyone

Sounds good to me.

How do you make it more attractive?

For some of us it seems to be. I've given you a method to do so but you keep putting up road blocks.

As above.

We've both given each other methods, the difference is the method I've given you suits your goal and is one you can pursue as an individual (not massive change), while the method you've given me also suits your goal, not mine; and is not one I can pursue as an individual (massive change).

[Brian d marge]

Isn't that kinda like how it works at the moment

Yup except under my idea there would be naked women and in order to get on the tree planting scheme you would need to have a 2 hour interview
Oh an i support racial equality

[mashman]

We've both given each other methods, the difference is the method I've given you suits your goal and is one you can pursue as an individual (not massive change), while the method you've given me also suits your goal, not mine; and is not one I can pursue as an individual (massive change).

Interesting judgement call.