Stupid World

[mashman]

Logic dictates it is thus, there is no choice I make except to seek that which is. The knowledge allows that logic to be found, while ignorance leaves room for a choice based on what you want instead of what is.

Just as logic dictates yours shall never come to pass.

Ah, I see, selective "enlightenment".

[Banditbandit]

Just to play the devil, should this also not be the same for tourists then & especially diplomats? they claim independence separate from NZ with the latter also claiming immunity from our laws so should they not also give up all rights grated by NZ?

Hmm tourists pay for everything - flights, accommodation, food, transport, tourists trips .. What Axkle is proposuing is ceding from Godzone

are you that old, or esoteric, that you just want somewhere warm to die?

Im not. Not either of those. I still want to set fire to things.

Yes, I'm old (well, relatively), yes I can be esoteric - shit I get paid partly to be a philosopher for fucks sake ... no, I'm not waiting to die.

I once held something very close you your position - then I realised it was a dream and would never happen so I accepted the reality of where Ilive, and actually I likeour country and I like living here, and I like being part of it ...

That does not mean I think it is perfect am not mean I am not trying to change it ...

Security at Sydney Airport is currently under high alert after its prime minister, Tony Abbott, declared that a terrorist attack on his country was "likely," even though his security services hadn't discovered any "particular plots."
...

I think Abbot realises that his actions have exposed 'Strai'a to the terrorist gaze and therefore has increased the chances of a real terrorist attack ..

[Banditbandit]

Logic dictates it is thus, there is no choice I make except to seek that which is. The knowledge allows that logic to be found, while ignorance leaves room for a choice based on what you want instead of what is.

"The supreme triumph of reason is to cast doubt on its own validity." — Miguel de Unamuno ... Spanish philosopher 1864 – 1936

[Akzle]

I once held something very close you your position - then I realised it was a dream and would never happen

funny. I remember hearing of some other guy with a (long winded) dream, what could he have ever achieved. Probably nothing, cos its never gunna happen, right?

[mashman]

Civil Forfeiture i.e. taking your stuff without reason (ergo, it ain't your stuff if you have no choice in what happens to it). But this guy does it well and it's fuckin funny.

[mashman]

Here are some others who fail to understand the concept of giving

TRUTH for RUSSELL BRAND - EQUALITY! By Molyneux, …: http://youtu.be/wIFZyvs6MOk

Stephen

Schiff is a fuckin idiot.

[oldrider]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130778523]Civil Forfeiture i.e. taking your stuff without reason (ergo, it ain't your stuff if you have no choice in what happens to it). But this guy does it well and it's fuckin funny.

That clip was funny ... frighteningly funny FFS! ... Fuck America and their TPPA, we don't need shit like that!

[mashman]

That clip was funny ... frighteningly funny FFS! ... Fuck America and their TPPA, we don't need shit like that!

Wonder what the penalty for claiming to own something that isn't actually yours is? Coz that'd be all of us in the chit. Perhaps that hasn't been argued yet .

[bogan]

Ah, I see, selective "enlightenment".

Enlightenment always is, unfortunately for the dregs of society the selection criteria often involves mental aptitude...

"The supreme triumph of reason is to cast doubt on its own validity." — Miguel de Unamuno ... Spanish philosopher 1864 – 1936

Yeh, that is like advanced levels thinking though, these guys need to start with the baby steps stuff.

[mashman]

Enlightenment always is, unfortunately for the dregs of society the selection criteria often involves mental aptitude...

... how unenlightened.

[bogan]

... how unenlightened.

And yet, progress on my path to utopia is still far ahead of yours

[mashman]

And yet, progress on my path to utopia is still far ahead of yours

I see Ed has hacked your account again

[Banditbandit]

funny. I remember hearing of some other guy with a (long winded) dream, what could he have ever achieved. Probably nothing, cos its never gunna happen, right?

Yeah mate - I had 20 acres of land and tried to cut myself off from society as much as possible - grew and harvested or killed my own food .. had my own water supply ... but I still had electricity - I could have cut that off too and relied solely on burning wood (grown and cut on the property) for warmth and cooking ... or I could have put in my own wind powered generator (purchased from, or with parts purchased from, OUR SOCIETY)

I still was forced to pay rates, I still used the roads and I had to buy petrol - especially to get my lambs to the sales - but also because I like riding bikes ... I do like coffee and I needed flour ... I bought ammunition to harvest wild meat (tho' I can use hunting bows)

It was impossible to completely cut myself off ...

Yeah - it's a nice dream but in contemporary world, it's impossible. And I don't believe you're even trying ... have YOU thought about cutting off your power supply?? How about cutting off your IPC???

[Banditbandit]

And yet, progress on my path to utopia is still far ahead of yours

Oh well, plenty more rebirths before you reach enlightenment then ..

[bogan]

I see Ed has hacked your account again

Do you ever discuss things of substance?

Lets review:
Path to utopia A; human productivity and production automation reaches levels in which we have no unfulfilled needs and few unfulfilled wants, ownership of property (including intellectual) becomes far less of an issue at this tipping point, and the subsequent sharing assures utopian like existence with regard to resource management.
Change Level: individual.
Cost of change level: high for some individuals, low for others.
Examples: TVP, charitable individuals, etc

Path B; remove money, retain ownership? decrease production in some areas? resource allocation based on 'need' (as decided by whom?)
Change level: society wide, and some extra society changes
Cost of change level: high for some individuals, low for others, massive for society as whole.
Examples: None

Now, can you maintain a logical discussion to concisely fill in the question marks left in Path B?