Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

now this is interesting , he Brother Nate , is usually well read .....So when he comes out and says the following

hes either nuts or there is a grain of truth to be followed up on



Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

Correct. And completely unmolested.

Can you find credible evidence showing how the world's poor are historically worse off as a result of capitalism?

Perhaps you just need to talk to an old person for a touch of perspective...

Define "worse off" I have seen reports that state while we have a better standard of living i.e. healthcare, access to shit we don't need etc we have lower happiness overall; and that while poor people have more the "minimums" have increased further making them worse off i.e. back in the days you didn't really need anything but food & shelter, now you need food, shelter, computer, cell, interwebs, vehicle (which incl WoF Reg petrol maintenance etc) as without these the chances of getting any further than current are hugely diminished.

So again it depends on the concept of "better/worse off". Are we happier? No. Do the poor have it easier? No. Do we have more shit we don't need or access to it? Absolutely

[Ocean1]

On noes you rolled out a report. Shame that record poverty in the western world proves your theory to be nothing more than meaningless numbers of a page.

That you attribute that which humans have achieved to capitalism and competitive industry instead of the people and their ideas speaks volumes. Your white streak is showing.

You're full of shit, show me this record western world poverty. It doesn't exist, dole bludgers today live far better than any last generation low income earner, todays low income earners have standards of living far better than a very wealthy man a couple of generations ago, they live longer, travel more, have fewer dead kids, less disease, far better housing and eat far better.

And capitalism IS the people and their ideas. If you look at a map showing standards of living you'll see it corresponds perfectly with modern capitalist states. More: changes towards or away from that general western model historically result in perfect correlation with standard of living changes.

Them's the facts. All you've got is an opinion, one twisted by a desperate need to divorce effort and return so that you don't have to work too hard. One that's been shown to be wrong so many times it's become synonymous with wrong. Now go away and earn some of the standard of living you're getting paid for rather than shooting your mouth off here all day.

[Ocean1]

Define "worse off" I have seen reports that state while we have a better standard of living i.e. healthcare, access to shit we don't need etc we have lower happiness overall; and that while poor people have more the "minimums" have increased further making them worse off i.e. back in the days you didn't really need anything but food & shelter, now you need food, shelter, computer, cell, interwebs, vehicle (which incl WoF Reg petrol maintenance etc) as without these the chances of getting any further than current are hugely diminished.

So again it depends on the concept of "better/worse off". Are we happier? No. Do the poor have it easier? No. Do we have more shit we don't need or access to it? Absolutely

Define "need".

Almost everyone has better access to everything that contributes to a high standard of living. Whether they're happy about what they've got depends on their expectations. If they expect a new car every other year and the latest phone and don't earn enough to get them then they're not going to be happy. A lot of people aren't very good at managing their expectations so that they correspond with their work ethic. Tough shit.

And if you don't need shit then by all means don't buy shit, it's a simple enough problem to fix. Other people buying shit with their own money? Mind your own business.

[mashman]

You're full of shit, show me this record western world poverty. It doesn't exist, dole bludgers today live far better than any last generation low income earner, todays low income earners have standards of living far better than a very wealthy man a couple of generations ago, they live longer, travel more, have fewer dead kids, less disease, far better housing and eat far better.

And capitalism IS the people and their ideas. If you look at a map showing standards of living you'll see it corresponds perfectly with modern capitalist states. More: changes towards or away from that general western model historically result in perfect correlation with standard of living changes.

Them's the facts. All you've got is an opinion, one twisted by a desperate need to divorce effort and return so that you don't have to work too hard. One that's been shown to be wrong so many times it's become synonymous with wrong. Now go away and earn some of the standard of living you're getting paid for rather than shooting your mouth off here all day.

Japan: Child poverty rate hits record high; more elderly being looked after by people over 65: survey

US: Welcome to the Recovery – U.S. Child Homelessness Hits Record as Poverty in Mass. is Highest Since 1960

Italy: Poverty in Italy hits record levels

UK: Poverty hits twice as many British households as 30 years ago

NZ: Number of children in severe poverty reaches record high

Reckon many of the other western country's have similar issues? (mental note: must remember to add blind to scared old white muthafuckas).

Relying on statistics and calling them facts . You need better reference material. I find eyes and ears usually help... however a soul is usually required so the eyes and ears might not help ya so much.

[bogan]

NZ: Number of children in severe poverty reaches record high

Reckon many of the other western country's have similar issues? (mental note: must remember to add blind to scared old white muthafuckas).

Relying on statistics and calling them facts . You need better reference material. I find eyes and ears usually help... however a soul is usually required so the eyes and ears might not help ya so much.

Just looked at NZ one cos that is where my eyes and ears live.

Defining poverty by the median income (which has been rising for ages), noting that child poverty as a whole is down, and it is only the severe child poverty that is up (again defined not by absolutes, but by relative measure to the rest of society); clearly shows your arguments to be full of shit.

Stop playing the blame game and questioning why people can't keep up with others of today (it's cos faulty entitlement complexes), and instead be thankful that our standards of living leave those of yesteryear in the dust.

[mashman]

Just looked at NZ one cos that is where my eyes and ears live.

Defining poverty by the median income (which has been rising for ages), noting that child poverty as a whole is down, and it is only the severe child poverty that is up (again defined not by absolutes, but by relative measure to the rest of society); clearly shows your arguments to be full of shit.

Stop playing the blame game and questioning why people can't keep up with others of today (it's cos faulty entitlement complexes), and instead be thankful that our standards of living leave those of yesteryear in the dust.

ironing.



You go ahead and tweak the figures all you like, it won't stop poverty from existing. You would have thought after all of these years that we would have sorted it out. It can't happen because no amount of money has ever made that change, hence the records being reported. Who says I'm not thankful?... especially given that I;m already on record as saying

I'd rather look to the future thanks as it seems that we never learn from the past, even when we do have more access to stuff that goes ping. I appreciate the present a whole lot more than accepting that my past will define my future. Therefore I am appreciative of everything that mankind has achieved, and I'd like to see that continue.

Oh it's all better than yesteryear because the reports say so hook, line and sinker.

Think a pic of the recent climate protest in Oz would go down well around about now.

[bogan]

You go ahead and tweak the figures all you like, it won't stop poverty from existing.

Tweaking the figures would be defining poverty by any standard other than an absolute one, in the context of historical progression. Yes it still exists, but yes it is lower than ever before; especially so in capitalist countries. Were capitalism a cause instead of a solution, it would be worse in capitalist countries, the opposite is the case; myth busted.

[mashman]

Tweaking the figures would be defining poverty by any standard other than an absolute one, in the context of historical progression. Yes it still exists, but yes it is lower than ever before; especially so in capitalist countries. Were capitalism a cause instead of a solution, it would be worse in capitalist countries, the opposite is the case; myth busted.

It is not lower, hence the record numbers, hence the myth isn't busted.

[bogan]

It is not lower, hence the record numbers, hence the myth isn't busted.

Only if you use the inequality biased measure of poverty; this end up being confusing as you have lower numbers of people living in poverty and lower inequality as per ocean's link, but also narrowly scoped poverteous inequalities on the rise. Don't let yourself be used by TPTB mashy, look at the bigger picture.

[mashman]

Only if you use the inequality biased measure of poverty; this end up being confusing as you have lower numbers of people living in poverty and lower inequality as per ocean's link, but also narrowly scoped poverteous inequalities on the rise. Don't let yourself be used by TPTB mashy, look at the bigger picture.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. I'm not the one throwing up the govt approved report as evidence that life is better using the ACC method of divide through category and measure using the figures that match the outcome that I want. I see the bigger picture fine thanks, hence I advocate a Resource Based Economy.

[bogan]

I'm not the one throwing up the govt approved report as evidence that life is better using the ACC method of divide through category and measure using the figures that match the outcome that I want. I see the bigger picture fine thanks, hence I advocate a Resource Based Economy.

That is exactly what you just put up, divided down by categories of; relative inequity poverty metric -> NZ poverty -> child poverty -> severe child poverty. You had to go through that many divisions to match the outcome you want, because, as per ocean's link, the big picture is poverty is in dramatic decline. RBE is not a big picture view either, as resources are finite, there must be limitations in place lest we go through them too quick and leave none for our children.

[yokel]

if ya think it normal . .its normal

some people think they will only be in the shop for a few min and young rastus will be ok in the car . . ,

uneducated will always make poor choices

stephen

that's because you borrowed invented money.

Japan: Child poverty rate hits record high; more elderly being looked after by people over 65: survey

US: Welcome to the Recovery – U.S. Child Homelessness Hits Record as Poverty in Mass. is Highest Since 1960

Italy: Poverty in Italy hits record levels

UK: Poverty hits twice as many British households as 30 years ago

NZ: Number of children in severe poverty reaches record high

Reckon many of the other western country's have similar issues? (mental note: must remember to add blind to scared old white muthafuckas).

Relying on statistics and calling them facts . You need better reference material. I find eyes and ears usually help... however a soul is usually required so the eyes and ears might not help ya so much.

The world bank agenda at work.
Just sit back and relax while the money made selling our state assets to get us out of the red morph in to more debit

[mashman]

That is exactly what you just put up, divided down by categories of; relative inequity poverty metric -> NZ poverty -> child poverty -> severe child poverty. You had to go through that many divisions to match the outcome you want, because, as per ocean's link, the big picture is poverty is in dramatic decline. RBE is not a big picture view either, as resources are finite, there must be limitations in place lest we go through them too quick and leave none for our children.

No, that's you deciding for me, yet again, what you believe I have done in order to get to a particular place. I've done nothing of the sort given that poverty exists. Funny, coz them country's setting them thar records seems to tell a different story... but I'm sure those with vested financial interest are more likely to produce facts as opposed to those who are suffering the problem.

Thanks again for confirming that you don't understand what an R.B.E. is, because it most definitely is a big picture. We're already rattling through resources in order to maximise profit and encourage even more resource wastage ... I fail to see how a system that manages those resources based on need and the usefulness of the resource will be any worse than a system that manages those resources on the flawed basis that there is a demand that should be created in order to generate a need.

[mashman]

The world bank agenda at work.
Just sit back and relax while the money made selling our state assets to get us out of the red morph in to more debit

I blame, , the voters.