Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

You're not actually interested in the facts, then.

Just "no, you're wrong, the facts don't matter and I'll work out why later."

Edit: Actually, don't bother, go argue with these dudes: http://www.rug.nl/search/?searchtext...0-+2010+excel+

do you actually read those links.

first one, the funding:

INET was founded with an initial pledge of $50 million from George Soros. It has since been supplemented by donations from James Balsillie and William H. Janeway, together with other philanthropists and financiers, including Paul Volcker, David Rockefeller, the Malcolm Hewitt Wiener Foundation, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, and Stiftung Mercator.

Thats like being a turkey at Christmas trusting a farmer with a sharp knife .......

But IF you would like to go into prosperity , im more than willing .....

Secondly the very good excel sheet you provided , very good I might add ... but Im not sure you either A; read it or B; understood it

from that data range if you graph the data , ( simply cut paste , graph ) ...you get


which is for NZ gdp against, relative to America ...( england is produces a slightly flatter curve )

So , my dear fellow it seems that according to George sorros and Uncle rocky we are doing quite well but here in nz WHEN you actually look ( at the data YOU provided ) ...our GDP relative to our mates in the boys club is DECLINING

would you like to use my drawing board or would you like to use you own????

[Ocean1]

do you actually read those links.

first one, the funding:

INET was founded with an initial pledge of $50 million from George Soros. It has since been supplemented by donations from James Balsillie and William H. Janeway, together with other philanthropists and financiers, including Paul Volcker, David Rockefeller, the Malcolm Hewitt Wiener Foundation, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, and Stiftung Mercator.

Thats like being a turkey at Christmas trusting a farmer with a sharp knife .......

But IF you would like to go into prosperity , im more than willing .....

Funding wasn't on any link I posted. The source of the xls is the University of Groningen, if they've got funding streams for economic research from economic entities it's difficult to see why that might surprise you.

And I did go into prosperity. I posted this, if you recall: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content..._maddison.html

Secondly the very good excel sheet you provided , very good I might add ... but Im not sure you either A; read it or B; understood it

from that data range if you graph the data , ( simply cut paste , graph ) ...you get


which is for NZ gdp against, relative to America ...( england is produces a slightly flatter curve )

So , my dear fellow it seems that according to George sorros and Uncle rocky we are doing quite well but here in nz WHEN you actually look ( at the data YOU provided ) ...our GDP relative to our mates in the boys club is DECLINING

would you like to use my drawing board or would you like to use you own????

I'm fucking sure you didn't understand it. Let's recap, shall we?

You said:

Prosperity is fading

And I called you on that. I made no mention whatsoever about relative prosperity, I simply said that the data says prosperity had increased dramatically across the board. Again, this data: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content..._maddison.html

Got the hang of all dem button at the top have you? What did they reveal about historic prosperity worldwide?

Fucking booming is a term that springs to mind. It probably wouldn't spring quite as readily, though if I was an entrenched socialist desperate to believe that capitalism has ruined everyone's standard of living. But then, that'd be due to exhaustion from all that jumping to conclusions and running around avoiding falling skies etc.

[bogan]

Mate only you are talking about fitting straight lines to income stats .... and as for the article seems your reading skills aint what they used to be
As I pointed out I haven't had the chance to read the article , which is why I differed and gave Ocean the benefit of the doubt UNTIL I could read the article . That is what I said .....

Incorrect, the straight line poorly fitting was brought up by you and mashy as a strawman argument to show how outliers are taken out.

pure garbage

as an engineer even when u know the results more often or not u will be using a line of best fit

if and only if all the planets line up on yur great grandmother 101st birthday you may get close to a exact repeatable result exact is the wrong word

The pure garbage bit was in response to my explanation of how outliers are dealt with in a general sense.

do you actually read those links.

first one, the funding:

INET was founded with an initial pledge of $50 million from George Soros. It has since been supplemented by donations from James Balsillie and William H. Janeway, together with other philanthropists and financiers, including Paul Volcker, David Rockefeller, the Malcolm Hewitt Wiener Foundation, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, and Stiftung Mercator.

Thats like being a turkey at Christmas trusting a farmer with a sharp knife .......

But IF you would like to go into prosperity , im more than willing .....

Secondly the very good excel sheet you provided , very good I might add ... but Im not sure you either A; read it or B; understood it

from that data range if you graph the data , ( simply cut paste , graph ) ...you get


which is for NZ gdp against, relative to America ...( england is produces a slightly flatter curve )

So , my dear fellow it seems that according to George sorros and Uncle rocky we are doing quite well but here in nz WHEN you actually look ( at the data YOU provided ) ...our GDP relative to our mates in the boys club is DECLINING

would you like to use my drawing board or would you like to use you own????

Oh come on, now that you've read the article you proceed to attack those involved in its writing?

Relative GDP is utterly irrelevant to the point about absolute poverty and prosperity. It's just negative nit-picking. NZ's prosperity is still rising, it just isn't rising as fast as some other countries, which will of course, always be the case. So this is the important bit, if you only respond to one point, it should be this one. But if you've room for another piece of advice to take on board, make more of an effort to communicate your ideas, the graph was terrible, as was the structure of your posts.

[mashman]

Incorrect, the straight line poorly fitting was brought up by you and mashy as a strawman argument to show how outliers are taken out.

Oh come on, now that you've read the article you proceed to attack those involved in its writing?

I said nothing about a straight line... I merely pointed out that you don't understand how these things actually work in reality.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@attacking the author... something you, and you cohort (snigger), could never be accused of doing. Tui anyone.

[bogan]

I said nothing about a straight line... I merely pointed out that you don't understand how these things actually work in reality.

You said the outlier bit, brian said the straight line bit. You made the claim about 'reality', but only managed to showed the opposite; or have you read and identified the bit where the outliers are dropped from the study posted to share with the class?

[Brian d marge]

Funding wasn't on any link I posted. The source of the xls is the University of Groningen, if they've got funding streams for economic research from economic entities it's difficult to see why that might surprise you.

And I did go into prosperity. I posted this, if you recall: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content..._maddison.html



I'm fucking sure you didn't understand it. Let's recap, shall we?

You said:



And I called you on that. I made no mention whatsoever about relative prosperity, I simply said that the data says prosperity had increased dramatically across the board. Again, this data: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content..._maddison.html

Got the hang of all dem button at the top have you? What did they reveal about historic prosperity worldwide?

Fucking booming is a term that springs to mind. It probably wouldn't spring quite as readily, though if I was an entrenched socialist desperate to believe that capitalism has ruined everyone's standard of living. But then, that'd be due to exhaustion from all that jumping to conclusions and running around avoiding falling skies etc.

You used an organisation funded by George Soros as an example :faceplant ... like quoting from Mr Hitlers best seller ....Mein comfy chair to back up your race relation stance .......

I then used YOUR DATA from said uni, that showed the GDP for ( an example ) GDP was going down

if anyone hasnt the hang of the internet , or is entrenched , It might be worth looking in the mirror
......
Using Soros as a source , is like trusting me with your beer ,

and dont even try and go down the capitalist path , u still haven’t answered the question on socialism yet ....

Nice try , you ARE improving with the links and info you provide ....but ...


Stephen

[bogan]

You used an organisation funded by George Soros as an example :faceplant ... like quoting from Mr Hitlers best seller ....Mein comfy chair to back up your race relation stance .......

I then used YOUR DATA from said uni, that showed the GDP for ( an example ) GDP was going down

if anyone hasnt the hang of the internet , or is entrenched , It might be worth looking in the mirror
......
Using Soros as a source , is like trusting me with your beer ,

and dont even try and go down the capitalist path , u still haven’t answered the question on socialism yet ....

Nice try , you ARE improving with the links and info you provide ....but ...


Stephen

Incorrect, Hitler wrote that book himeself, wheras George Soros has simply given funding to the Uni that wrote the report. These things are miles apart.

You did not show GDP was going down at all.

[Brian d marge]

Incorrect, Hitler wrote that book himeself, wheras George Soros has simply given funding to the Uni that wrote the report. These things are miles apart.

You did not show GDP was going down at all.

where do u start

go and have a look yourself

and as for soros and hitler i think you get the jist of what i was saying



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[Brian d marge]

Incorrect, the straight line poorly fitting was brought up by you and mashy as a strawman argument to show how outliers are taken out.



The pure garbage bit was in response to my explanation of how outliers are dealt with in a general sense.



Oh come on, now that you've read the article you proceed to attack those involved in its writing?

Relative GDP is utterly irrelevant to the point about absolute poverty and prosperity. It's just negative nit-picking. NZ's prosperity is still rising, it just isn't rising as fast as some other countries, which will of course, always be the case. So this is the important bit, if you only respond to one point, it should be this one. But if you've room for another piece of advice to take on board, make more of an effort to communicate your ideas, the graph was terrible, as was the structure of your posts.

i either the time or the paitence to produce the quality of work that u require in order to illuminate ( you)

U cetainly have a creative imagination thats for sure





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[Brian d marge]

I said nothing about a straight line... I merely pointed out that you don't understand how these things actually work in reality.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@attacking the author... something you, and you cohort (snigger), could never be accused of doing. Tui anyone.

make mine a dry white

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[bogan]

i either the time or the paitence to produce the quality of work that u require in order to illuminate ( you)

U cetainly have a creative imagination thats for sure

Fuck that's a pathetic cop out. The structure and wording as as weak as the excuse.

You went to the time to fabricate an extremely biased graph to show or at least imply (I can't tell which cos your grasp of words is shit) our GDP was decreasing when it is doing nothing of the sort. Now when called on it, you have to find some cop out instead of facing reality; which is rather more positive than you make it out to be.

[Ocean1]

You used an organisation funded by George Soros as an example :faceplant ... like quoting from Mr Hitlers best seller ....Mein comfy chair to back up your race relation stance .......

I then used YOUR DATA from said uni, that showed the GDP for ( an example ) GDP was going down

if anyone hasnt the hang of the internet , or is entrenched , It might be worth looking in the mirror
......
Using Soros as a source , is like trusting me with your beer ,

and dont even try and go down the capitalist path , u still haven’t answered the question on socialism yet ....

Nice try , you ARE improving with the links and info you provide ....but ...


Stephen

I'd have thought he was your sort of man.

Soros is a well known supporter of progressive and liberal political causes.[12] Between 1979 and 2015 Soros donated more than $11 billion to various philanthropic causes

Or is he a cunt simply 'cause he's rich?

In spite of his propensity to fund educational institutions.

he provided one of Europe's largest higher education endowments to the Central European University in Budapest

You do know that doesn't get him the right to fuck with research data, doncha? Or do you have evidence of nefarious activities in the data stacks?

Oh, and exactly which bit of that data did you extract from the spreadsheet to get your graph? Must have take a fucking while to find a downward trend from a complete set showing almost exclusively the opposite.

[Brian d marge]

Fuck that's a pathetic cop out. The structure and wording as as weak as the excuse.

You went to the time to fabricate an extremely biased graph to show or at least imply (I can't tell which cos your grasp of words is shit) our GDP was decreasing when it is doing nothing of the sort. Now when called on it, you have to find some cop out instead of facing reality; which is rather more positive than you make it out to be.

no
it was clear
im afraid after reading back through the posts that its you that tries to fit straght lines into income streams
my posts are as clear as they need to be
if u want to twist and turn feel free
my points still stand if ya cant understand it aint my problem

it doesnt matter what i say or think

The evidence will ( and does speak for itself)

Baltic dry index at 370 near zero interest rates and unemployment is what ?

good luck mate

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[bogan]

no
it was clear
im afraid after reading back through the posts that its you that tries to fit straght lines into income streams
my posts are as clear as they need to be
if u want to twist and turn feel free
my points still stand if ya cant understand it aint my problem

it doesnt matter what i say or think

The evidence will ( and does speak for itself)

Baltic dry index at 370 near zero interest rates and unemployment is what ?

good luck mate

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Clarity then.

Do you think absolute GDP in NZ is rising or falling?

[Katman]

Or is he a cunt simply 'cause he's rich?

It takes a whole lot more than one billionaire's conscience being pricked to make a real difference to world poverty.

Imagine if every one of the money hungry fucks did the same.