Stupid World

[mashman]

He's perfectly correct. Food banks are no part of the govt's benefit system. He's also perfectly correct about the market truism that any goods made available free will produce an exponentially growing market.

I presume you simply meant to bleat about the fact that more people want more free resources now than did a few years ago, in spite of the benefit overspend of some 20 billion pounds.

Meh.

He's partially correct... what you and he ignore is that the increase in numbers will likely be people who once worked for a living and were more than likely very decent people. The supply has always been there, yet the demand hasn't. So what changed? The demand. And if the supply has always been there with a "steady" increase in demand, then where has this extra demand come from? There's something to be said for ignoring that which does not fit your world view... blinkered!

Man how I @overspend. There's a fuckload of people that are needing fed, housed, need to pay bills etc... having been booted out of work, which as I'm sure you'll have figured out means that less tax $ will be being collected. How much of that 20billion do ya reckon is failed govt pension investment? Or would you say that it was just the unemployed (my money is on private landlords raising rents), say at 50k per year per that have caused the blowout? coz that's 400,000 people and given that the benefits are supposed to be approx 15k, you're gonna have to treble that number.

Why can't we just collect up all the very poor. Take them out to a farm.....y'no and just let them run around and be free.

Just in case Obama sends in the drones.

[Ocean1]

He's partially correct... what you and he ignore is that the increase in numbers will likely be people who once worked for a living and were more than likely very decent people. The supply has always been there, yet the demand hasn't. So what changed? The demand. And if the supply has always been there with a "steady" increase in demand, then where has this extra demand come from? There's something to be said for ignoring that which does not fit your world view... blinkered!

Of course demand is up, nobody denied it. But whereas you, like most of your left-leaning mates blame everyone indiscriminately for it he simply pointed out that availability of every free resource will always be outstripped by demand.

Man how I @overspend. There's a fuckload of people that are needing fed, housed, need to pay bills etc... having been booted out of work, which as I'm sure you'll have figured out means that less tax $ will be being collected. How much of that 20billion do ya reckon is failed govt pension investment? Or would you say that it was just the unemployed (my money is on private landlords raising rents), say at 50k per year per that have caused the blowout? coz that's 400,000 people and given that the benefits are supposed to be approx 15k, you're gonna have to treble that number.

No idea how much extra is spent on unemployment, but as you point out whatever it is it's more than was previously spent, at a time when there's less tax revenue to pay for it. If you were serious about finding the root cause of that problem you'd be finding those numbers rather than continually pointing the finger at pretty much everyone else for failing to provide yet more free resources for yet more demand to mop up.

[mashman]

Of course demand is up, nobody denied it. But whereas you, like most of your left-leaning mates blame everyone indiscriminately for it he simply pointed out that availability of every free resource will always be outstripped by demand.

No idea how much extra is spent on unemployment, but as you point out whatever it is it's more than was previously spent, at a time when there's less tax revenue to pay for it. If you were serious about finding the root cause of that problem you'd be finding those numbers rather than continually pointing the finger at pretty much everyone else for failing to provide yet more free resources for yet more demand to mop up.

Pffft... dunno about the lefty types, but yeah, I blame everyone indiscriminately because it is everyone's issue and yet very few do anything about it. Bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... so him questioning whether the benefits cuts have anything to do with the boom in food bank customers is him saying that as long as there's a freebee, people will take it . Nothing new there, likely a fair chunk of affluent people claim everything they can off of the state. There is no question about the link between the two, there is most definitely a cause... unless one prefers to ignore the last 6 years as being of no consequence to the lives of any person.

I've found the root cause. Again, it's completely undeniable, although you are trying... money dear boy, money. Does a career thief keep on thieving if they come into money? No, because they have enough money to do them until they don't. MONEY. Geddit yet

[Ocean1]

Does a career thief keep on thieving if they come into money? No, because they have enough money to do them until they don't. MONEY. Geddit yet

Actually, they do. In fact thieves show the lie to your brainless no-money "idea", when there's no money to thieve they take anything else they fancy. People don't change, poor people win lotteries and they're poor again a few years later, rich people lose the lot and sooner or later they're rich again.

So yes, the problem is money: specifically the soup kitchen clients aren't earning any. And whether you like to admit it or not it's a fact that the rest of the country is helping them. As they will continue to do, as far and as long as they can afford to, charity isn't a bottomless pit of resources.

[mashman]

Actually, they do. In fact thieves show the lie to your brainless no-money "idea", when there's no money to thieve they take anything else they fancy. People don't change, poor people win lotteries and they're poor again a few years later, rich people lose the lot and sooner or later they're rich again.

So yes, the problem is money: specifically the soup kitchen clients aren't earning any. And whether you like to admit it or not it's a fact that the rest of the country is helping them. As they will continue to do, as far and as long as they can afford to, charity isn't a bottomless pit of resources.

Aha

Savage.

Meanwhile in other news...

Police seize possessions of rough sleepers in crackdown on homelessness ... FFS what does that achieve? Bunch of ignorant fuckwits.

[gwigs]

Aha

Savage.

Meanwhile in other news...

Police seize possessions of rough sleepers in crackdown on homelessness ... FFS what does that achieve? Bunch of ignorant fuckwits.

Thats it put the boot in..Dirty Filthy Homeless Scum..we cant have them upsetting the nice people who have money and somewhere
nice to live can we ?Why not just exterminate them it would be kinder....

Fuck man what a bunch of sick cunts ....

[scissorhands]

Thats it put the boot in..Dirty Filthy Homeless Scum..we cant have them upsetting the nice people who have money and somewhere
nice to live can we ?Why not just exterminate them it would be kinder....

Fuck man what a bunch of sick cunts ....

The sad part is these people are isolated and lonely off the street.

The street is their only socialisation. All they got to look forward to are empty rooms

Their homes are their prisons.

At the same time.... living on the street is unhealthy for them as they smoke tobacco eat junk and ingest fumes and dirt.....

In Thailand monasteries house these people, they beg for food only, at a certain time and place....

[blue rider]

how about people only had children that they could afford


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-expenses.html

[blue rider]

Aha

Savage.

Meanwhile in other news...

Police seize possessions of rough sleepers in crackdown on homelessness ... FFS what does that achieve? Bunch of ignorant fuckwits.

look, there is business to be made, prison for profit needs inmates.....homeless people are a good start.
First make it illegal to spend more than 10 minutes on a parking bench or else be charged for loitering. - 30 days?
Make it illegal to build a shelter under a bridge (security) call it loitering - 60 days?
Make it illegal to beg (unless they apply for a non profit status or claim to raise fund for jeeeebuuuuus) - 90 days
make it illegal to not be dressed a certain standard - offending the public - 90 days
make it illegal to be smelly and unwashed (while closing down all the public bathhouses) - offending the public - 90 days
if caught in the same place twice within a two weeks period - repeat offender - 2 years without parole
if caught in the same place a third time - three strikes - prison for ever without parole

the CEO of the company running the private business is going to be laughing all the way to the bank, while the good fearing macho conservatives will whine about the tax they have to pay, all they while requesting small government that is only large enough to control those that are not them.

We also could just shoot this human waste and scum, but who would want to be the executioner and how many a day could be shot.
And than you have the issue with the burials....they cost money too, unless one is just dumping them in the oceans.

This planet is screwed, because so many people believe they are above all of these things, and that shit will never happen to them, and if it does they will be better than all the others.
Yeah, sure Tui.

[unstuck]

Their minds are their prisons.

Fixed that for ya.

What the Mind Can Conceive and Believe it Can Achieve.......Napoleon Hill.

[Scuba_Steve]

Aha

Savage.

Meanwhile in other news...

Police seize possessions of rough sleepers in crackdown on homelessness ... FFS what does that achieve? Bunch of ignorant fuckwits.

We used to have a law which stated something like anyone with less than 3 pounds (money) on their person could be jailed immediately, it was used to "clean up" the streets of the homeless for when the Queen came

[gwigs]

MPs being forced into luxury..



http://newsthump.com/2013/07/01/mps-...d-into-luxury/

[mashman]

The world is changing? Or are the chairs merely being moved?

[mashman]

Why?

[mashman]

NZ Productivity Commission to look at regulatory regimes

"This is the entity's sixth inquiry since it was set up in 2011 as part of an election deal between the National and Act parties, and modelled closely on its Australian counterpart.

The terms of reference seek recommendations to "improve the design of new regulatory regimes and make system-wide improvements to the operation of existing regulatory regimes in New Zealand."

A final report is due to the ministers by the end of June next year."

so did they get it wrong 5 times? Perhaps they didn't have long enough to figure out what they seem not to have a clue about and that's why they'll be waiting 11 months for an answer this time around.