Stupid World

[Scuba_Steve]

Show me one of these managerless companies.

You may or mayn't recognize this company... tho it's quite large & considered "managerless"

Thats a vey flat cap view of it.

I'm originally from the shop floor and now run the NZ operation for my AU based company, I know that if I didn't turn up for a couple of

days things would run ok, but if the cleaners did not my phone would not stop ringing.

If you have to get out of bed in the morning your a worker, does not matter that you wear a suit or overalls.

I thought that Us and Them attitude was gone these days...clearly I'm mistaken.

If all my workers left tomorrow I'd be able to run the show as I know all their jobs as I have done them in the past.

I'm not adverse to mopping up or rolling my sleeves up to help.

Hey & I've got nothing against that but end of day the money does stop with the workers, no workers, no money.
I like progression managers, the big problem with todays place are career managers that jump from place to place with not a fucking clue about what they're managing but companies will continuously "cut costs" by dropping production staff over these worthless & overpaid managers

[Ocean1]

You mean paying for the 55% of the population that you claimed are a net tax drain on society?

Yes.

andtenmfc

[bogan]

You may or mayn't recognize this company... tho it's quite large & considered "managerless"

Gabe Whowell?

Oh, the cofounder and managing director of valve, worth 2.2billion, Gabe Newell.

Perhaps try again on that one buddy Or do you think the floating desk/job options they gave employees actually constitutes a managerless company? cos that would just be too precious

[Brian d marge]

Yes.

andtenmfc

We been down this road oh wise one
Do have a look at the make up of the social welfare
I'm sure that the pensioners would object to being called lazy and feckless
In fact you should try a smattering of , looking shit up, before formulating one of your classics

Even I try to ,look shit up, ..sometimes ...

sent for a divine source

[Scuba_Steve]

Gabe Whowell?

Oh, the cofounder and managing director of valve, worth 2.2billion, Gabe Newell.

Perhaps try again on that one buddy Or do you think the floating desk/job options they gave employees actually constitutes a managerless company? cos that would just be too precious

At Valve , a US software start-up, nobody tells staff what to do. There are no managers. Staff have no job descriptions and are encouraged to form their teams based on their interests, define their roles and decide what work they do.


Valve, a US video game development and digital distribution company whose unconventional management structure caused a stir when its employee handbook appeared online. Founded in 1996 by two former Microsoft developers, the organisation began and remains flat. Valve’s handbook is clear enough: “We don’t have any management,” it says. “And nobody reports to anybody else. We do have a president, but even he isn’t your manager.”

What was that you were saying???

Also from their handbook...
Manager—The kind of people we don’t have any of. So if you see one, tell somebody, because it’s probably the ghost of whoever was in this building before us. Whatever you do, don’t let him give you a presentation on paradigms in spectral proactivity.

[bogan]

At Valve , a US software start-up, nobody tells staff what to do. There are no managers. Staff have no job descriptions and are encouraged to form their teams based on their interests, define their roles and decide what work they do.


Valve, a US video game development and digital distribution company whose unconventional management structure caused a stir when its employee handbook appeared online. Founded in 1996 by two former Microsoft developers, the organisation began and remains flat. Valve’s handbook is clear enough: “We don’t have any management,” it says. “And nobody reports to anybody else. We do have a president, but even he isn’t your manager.”

What was that you were saying???

Also from their handbook...
Manager—The kind of people we don’t have any of. So if you see one, tell somebody, because it’s probably the ghost of whoever was in this building before us. Whatever you do, don’t let him give you a presentation on paradigms in spectral proactivity.

That's a nice piece of puff marketing from an undisclosed source, but an absence of day to day personell managers, does not make a company manager-less. You should first figure out what a manager is and does, who knows, you might even understand why they are just as necessary as the workers...

[Woodman]

At Valve , a US software start-up, nobody tells staff what to do. There are no managers. Staff have no job descriptions and are encouraged to form their teams based on their interests, define their roles and decide what work they do.


Valve, a US video game development and digital distribution company whose unconventional management structure caused a stir when its employee handbook appeared online. Founded in 1996 by two former Microsoft developers, the organisation began and remains flat. Valve’s handbook is clear enough: “We don’t have any management,” it says. “And nobody reports to anybody else. We do have a president, but even he isn’t your manager.”

What was that you were saying???

Also from their handbook...
Manager—The kind of people we don’t have any of. So if you see one, tell somebody, because it’s probably the ghost of whoever was in this building before us. Whatever you do, don’t let him give you a presentation on paradigms in spectral proactivity.

interesting but looks to me more like marketing blurb to attract a certain demographic. I could be wrong although doubtful.

[EJK]

At Valve , a US software start-up, nobody tells staff what to do. There are no managers. Staff have no job descriptions and are encouraged to form their teams based on their interests, define their roles and decide what work they do.


Valve, a US video game development and digital distribution company whose unconventional management structure caused a stir when its employee handbook appeared online. Founded in 1996 by two former Microsoft developers, the organisation began and remains flat. Valve’s handbook is clear enough: “We don’t have any management,” it says. “And nobody reports to anybody else. We do have a president, but even he isn’t your manager.”

What was that you were saying???

Also from their handbook...
Manager—The kind of people we don’t have any of. So if you see one, tell somebody, because it’s probably the ghost of whoever was in this building before us. Whatever you do, don’t let him give you a presentation on paradigms in spectral proactivity.

Oh good ol Facebook click-bait article... Sure maybe there is no "manager" title, instead something like an agile team where everyone is a leader in own right. But I highly doubt anything beyond that.

[Katman]

You should first figure out what a manger is and does

That's baby Jesus's bed, isn't it?

[Scuba_Steve]

That's a nice piece of puff marketing from an undisclosed source, but an absence of day to day personell managers, does not make a company manager-less. You should first figure out what a manger is and does, who knows, you might even understand why they are just as necessary as the workers...

Sounds like you're making excuses cause the facts don't support your views... That's not something I'd expect from you

Also the source is Valve... The company in question, you know the big software giant, VALVE; I'm sure you've heard of them, VALVE. These guys...

[Brian d marge]

That's baby Jesus's bed, isn't it?

I thought it was one of those toothless crons , from up north I used to shag back in the day

sent for a divine source

[bogan]

Sounds like you're making excuses cause the facts don't support your views... That's not something I'd expect from you

Also the source is Valve... The company in question, you know the big software giant, VALVE; I'm sure you've heard of them, VALVE. These guys...

Sounds like you still don't understand management. Tell me, who hires these people? who decides their salary? Who decides the company direction? who it markets towards?

Oh, and that's not a source, that's the company name. A source would show where those actual words come from...

[mashman]

If you're lucky, you'll recognise them's who Can’t Handle the Truth: How Confirmation Bias Distorts Your Opinions... some of you may recognise the opening Tolstoy quote too

[Scuba_Steve]

Sounds like you still don't understand management. Tell me, who hires these people? who decides their salary? Who decides the company direction? who it markets towards?

Oh, and that's not a source, that's the company name. A source would show where those actual words come from...

The valve employee handbook was the bolded part, it was right there in the post... Oversights like this might might explain alot about your views

And lets let Valve's economist-in-residence Yanis Varoufakis answer the questions

The hiring process

"The way it works is very simple. Let's say you and I have a chat in the corridor, or in some conference room, or wherever. The result of this chat is that we converge to the view that we need an additional software engineer, or animator, or artist, or hardware person. Or several of them. What we can do is, we can send an email to the rest of our colleagues at Valve and invite them to join us in forming a search committee that actually looks for these people without seeking anyone's permission in the hierarchy, simply because there is no hierarchy.

"And then we form spontaneously the search committee, and then we interview people, first by Skype, and then we bring them in, if they pass the test, to the company for a more face-to-face personalized interview. And anyone who wants to participate does participate.

"And then during that day -- it's usually a day-long event -- emails are fired all over the place with views whether this person should be hired or not until some consensus is reached where there's effectively no one is vetoing the hire of that particular person."

How pay is determined

"This is a haphazard process. The payment mechanism is to a very large extent bonus-based. So the contracts usually have a minimum pay segment in it, which is more or less established by tradition. And then the interesting part in this contract is how much is left to the peer review process, which is very complicated. It involves various layers of mutual assessment.

"In companies like Microsoft or elsewhere, usually the bonus is something between 8, 15, 20 percent of the basic salary. In Valve, I'm told, there's no upper limit to bonuses. Bonuses can end up being 5, 6, 10 times the level of the basic wage."

"Gabe [Newell] had this view from the beginning. He wanted a community of partners, he didn't want to be the boss of anyone or to be bossed around by anyone."

Firing people

"It does happen. I've seen it happen. And it's never pretty. It involves various communications at first when somebody's underperforming, or somebody doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the company.

"In many occasions people simply don't fit in not because they're not productive or good people, but because they just can't function very well in a boss-less environment. And then there are series of discussions between co-workers and the person whose firing is being canvased or discussed, and at some point if it seems there is no way that a consensus can emerge that this person can stay, some attractive offer is made to the particular person, and usually there's an amicable parting of ways."

[husaberg]

Sounds like you still don't understand management. Tell me, who hires these people? who decides their salary? Who decides the company direction? who it markets towards?

Oh, and that's not a source, that's the company name. A source would show where those actual words come from...

I had a look and it is actually seemingly legit.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...74953586383604
The salaries are decided by peer assessment
The decisions as to what to do or market are formed by groups with ideas put forward by anyone.
The thing is the groups are lead by a....... wait for it.... defacto manager voted in by the group