Stupid World

[sidecar bob]

I'm just laughing at prospect of a construction project where everyone just randomly turns up & starts digging & building willy nilly wherever & whenever they wanted. It would be like a kindergarten sand pit.
Plus, nobody pays them.

[Ocean1]

I'm just laughing at prospect of a construction project where everyone just randomly turns up & starts digging & building willy nilly wherever & whenever they wanted. It would be like a kindergarten sand pit.
Plus, nobody pays them.

To be fair, if the duties of the managers are shared between all of the employees then so would the pay usually allocated to the managers.

That's not the problem, the problem is that outside of that sandpit you don't find the skills and experience required to manage.

It's a bit like deciding that the work done by a software development engineer is going to be shared by the canteen staff, the accountant, etc.

The main reason businesses are orders of magnitude more productive than we once were is specialization, why the fuck would you want to go back to having everyone doing everything, badly?

[mashman]

Ah, so they just distribute most of the management tasks across the employees. Kind like what project engineers have been doing for decades...

Seems a little inefficient, but I guess with the low resource cost of software development it is an acceptable tradeoff. The idea that a company in which everyone is a manger is managerless remains absurd, however.

I'm surprised you don't recognise the practice given the RBE view of it and your claimed knowledge of RBE. Fortunately I'm here to point these things out for you so that you can become more knowledgeable on subjects you clearly know nothing about despite your claims. Some might say that taking such a position is delusional. I'd say you're welcome, but you clearly don't have the capacity for changing your position. There are some helpful tips in the confirmation bias document I posted on the previous page though. Good luck.

"I don't want people to follow some leader, I want them to be brought up educated to understand their decisions, how they're arrived at, and the basis for it. I don't want people to follow a leader, that's fascism to me." ~ Jacque Fresco, teamspeak seminar, August 14, 2011

[Woodman]

I'm just laughing at prospect of a construction project where everyone just randomly turns up & starts digging & building willy nilly wherever & whenever they wanted. It would be like a kindergarten sand pit.
Plus, nobody pays them.

and when the building falls down who would stand up and be accountable? nobody would and this is why this rbe bollocks wouldn't work. No consequences . no responsibility.

[mashman]

and when the building falls down who would stand up and be accountable? nobody would and this is why this rbe bollocks wouldn't work. No consequences . no responsibility.

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa... here, let me help you with that:

How do you imagine the building processes of the projects – standard, using prefabricated units or some other technologies?... aaaaaaaand further reading explains that by using the best materials available for construction, it'd take something special to drop one.

Whereas modern day does it all to budget constraint and results in leaky buildings etc... that no one can ever be prosecuted for because they all shift the blame on to someone else. Quality remark though, you did have me giggling@accountability.

[sidecar bob]

Why arent all the advocates of working willy nilly for no money doing just that. I hear a lot of wind but no action.

[mashman]

Why arent all the advocates of working willy nilly for no money doing just that. I hear a lot of wind but no action.

Coz, ironically in ways, budget constraint. Materials, land, labour, food, machinery etc... all see ya thrown in jail when ya just try to take them, irrespective of the hard work and effort that they've already put in. Not hard to understand... unless ya don't want to like

[Ocean1]

Why arent all the advocates of working willy nilly for no money doing just that. I hear a lot of wind but no action.

Because they can't eat wind, they need other people to do the willy nilly thing.

The same others that are currently happy to be responsible for their own upkeep.

Classic communism.

[Woodman]

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaa... here, let me help you with that:

How do you imagine the building processes of the projects – standard, using prefabricated units or some other technologies?... aaaaaaaand further reading explains that by using the best materials available for construction, it'd take something special to drop one.

Whereas modern day does it all to budget constraint and results in leaky buildings etc... that no one can ever be prosecuted for because they all shift the blame on to someone else. Quality remark though, you did have me giggling@accountability.

again bollocks. how could you ever get the project finished when ccritical people might just not show up. continuity would be a nightmare and would lead to shortcuts. who would run the project. what consequences for overruns and fuckups?

[Voltaire]

Coz, ironically in ways, budget constraint. Materials, land, labour, food, machinery etc... all see ya thrown in jail when ya just try to take them, irrespective of the hard work and effort that they've already put in. Not hard to understand... unless ya don't want to like

Any examples other than some Amazonian tribe who has only just come in contact with the outside world?

Be surprised if they did not a hierarchy along the lines of Chief, food gathers, warriors and so on.

[Brian d marge]

again bollocks. how could you ever get the project finished when ccritical people might just not show up. continuity would be a nightmare and would lead to shortcuts. who would run the project. what consequences for overruns and fuckups?

Jehovahs witness , quick build seem to be on time and under budget

[sidecar bob]

Jehovahs witness , quick build seem to be on time and under budget

But they have the greatest leader of all.

[Brian d marge]

But they have the greatest leader of all.

They hope

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

again bollocks. how could you ever get the project finished when ccritical people might just not show up. continuity would be a nightmare and would lead to shortcuts. who would run the project. what consequences for overruns and fuckups?

If you're talking about how the above would happen under RBE, then I fail to see why a construction would be so critical that it didn't have the resources, let alone knowledge sharing, in order to finish the job under various circumstances. Overruns are financial problems and as such under RBE there'd be no penalties on account of there being no money. Fuckups could be dealt with in exactly the same way as we currently do... although bit of a shame to fuck someone over because they made a single mistake. Plus how do you punish a machine for a fuckup?

[mashman]

Any examples other than some Amazonian tribe who has only just come in contact with the outside world?

Be surprised if they did not a hierarchy along the lines of Chief, food gathers, warriors and so on.

Like a dog with a bone. Whether there is a hierarchy or not is irrelevant so long as everyone knows what they're doing.