Stupid World

[TheDemonLord]

diference between consumption to live, ie, in harmony with nature and the circle of life, [insert lion king meme]

and the distracto-bullshit petro-plastic disposable consumerism encouraged in the name of jewgolds.
innit

Depends on how you split the difference - consumption is still consumption.

If we are going on Maslows hierarchy - then it might be closer to what you propose, but even that is subject to interpretation (for example to some safety and security includes the right to own firearms, others disagree)

And then we have this version:



Finally - why do you blame the Jewgolds, when it is we, the consumer who want these things?

[Akzle]

Depends on how you split the difference - consumption is still consumption.

If we are going on Maslows hierarchy - then it might be closer to what you propose, but even that is subject to interpretation (for example to some safety and security includes the right to own firearms, others disagree)

except that firearms don't increase safety nor security. they're a tool for a job, or a toy.
the idea that human life is worth anything, the game to accumulate "wealth" or leave a legacy, is fucking stupid. you're born naked and hungry and will die much the same. everything you ever do will fall into the sea one day. (refer sagan?'s small blue dot)
in terms of the heirachy of needs, most men are happy with "cold beer, warm pussy, and somewhere to shit that has a door on" i add "a mattress to die on" (blatantly plagarised)

Finally - why do you blame the Jewgolds, when it is we, the consumer who want these things?

for the last few hundred years (only), jewgold has been the metric of "success", and used by ocean to determine "your value to society" (refer mashy's fuck work link). most sheeple are fucking stupid (refer: you), much like sheep, they're conditioned, and basically farmed, to propogate the system, for the benefit of the farmers. they're harried with "if you love people then buy things"
and ever increasing need for "profit" relies on ever increasing consumption. there's no profit in healthy sheep living peacefully and buying quality shit that will last generations.

war, sickness, and impermanence are the drivers of rape-consumption.

[oldrider]

Finally - why do you blame the Jewgolds, when it is we, the consumer who want these things?

Because (like it or not) they (central banking cartel) hold the control over our means of distribution for production and consumption balance!

[TheDemonLord]

Because (like it or not) they (central banking cartel) hold the control over our means of distribution for production and consumption balance!

Do they?

Have they ever forced you to spend money?

It's possible to eschew from the Central banking cartel - problem is that those that do tend not to be very successful. Therein lies the nub of the issue - Money (as a concept) is successful because of the functionality that it provides, it's why we've moved on from those alternative systems.

[Akzle]

Do they?

Have they ever forced you to spend money?

It's possible to eschew from the Central banking cartel - problem is that those that do tend not to be very successful. Therein lies the nub of the issue - Money (as a concept) is successful because of the functionality that it provides, it's why we've moved on from those alternative systems.

and you believe that's the pinnacle of society? indentured servitude?

[mashman]

That is OUR situation right now.
Point of fact:

The only reason for production is - consumption! - If consumers do not have the wherewithal to consume (money and initiative) - production (jobs) is pointless!

Fixed the first bit

If we don't produce some things, then we die... or at the very least create scarcity enough to have us all reaching for our pitch forks. We could job share and get the best of all worlds. No need for money or initiative... although initiative will happen by default. It'd be nice not to have the meritocratic bullshit that goes with it mind, money f'rinstance, coz we may actually bump into peace and sustainability and all that entails.

[TheDemonLord]

except that firearms don't increase safety nor security. they're a tool for a job, or a toy.

I never said they did - only that some people say they do (cough 'Murica! cough).

the idea that human life is worth anything, the game to accumulate "wealth" or leave a legacy, is fucking stupid. you're born naked and hungry and will die much the same. everything you ever do will fall into the sea one day. (refer sagan?'s small blue dot)

but inbetween now and the rising sea is the evolutionary drive to provide the best possible advantage to your offspring to ensure that their DNA (over and above their competitors) is successfully passed on to the next generation.

in terms of the heirachy of needs, most men are happy with "cold beer, warm pussy, and somewhere to shit that has a door on" i add "a mattress to die on" (blatantly plagarised)

Which would all be the bottom tier of the Pyramid - but what about hobbies? Most men have something that they do purely for the element of skill and satisfaction/reward of a successful completion (which would be the top of the Pyramid)

for the last few hundred years (only), jewgold has been the metric of "success", and used by ocean to determine "your value to society" (refer mashy's fuck work link).

Whilst I don't fully agree with Oceans' concept - Money does provide an objective measure that is nearly universally understood and easily comparable. If you compare 2 workers and ask which one is better - the one that picks $30 worth of Cotton an hour is more valuable than the one that picks $10 worth of Cotton an hour.

Where myself and Ocean diverge is that the other worker may contribute to the business (Old White folk Jew Cotton pickers inc.) in other ways that are hard to put a dollar value to (such as innovation morale etc.) and so using it as the sole metric is not giving a full or accurate picture.

most sheeple are fucking stupid (refer: you), much like sheep, they're conditioned, and basically farmed, to propogate the system, for the benefit of the farmers. they're harried with "if you love people then buy things"

This is where Myself and evolutionary biology disagree with you - but I CBF going over this argument again - because it always ends in 'I'm not like that, therefore everyone isn't like that' - despite the growing wealth of information from this field of study.

In short - it is not they are conditioned, its that those who you pro-port to be at the top of the 'system' have effectively found ways to utilize evolutionary drivers.

And I'm cool with that.

and ever increasing need for "profit" relies on ever increasing consumption. there's no profit in healthy sheep living peacefully and buying quality shit that will last generations.

There is, problem is that we as the consumer don't want to pay for it. If you have 2 fridges, one will last 10 years, costs $500, the other will last 40 years (a 'lifetime') and cost $2,000 (so 4 times the price for 4 times the lifespan) - the average consumer will factor in the immediate cost, the lifespan vs functionality and the knowledge that as technology progresses things become obsolete. Thus they will choose the $500 fridge.

war, sickness, and impermanence are the drivers of rape-consumption.

Something Something Evolutionary Biology 101 something.

[TheDemonLord]

and you believe that's the pinnacle of society? indentured servitude?

I judge it by the results it provides.

[TheDemonLord]

It'd be nice not to have the meritocratic bullshit that goes with it mind

I've just quoted this to point it out.

Fuck picking the best people to do something!

Thus was the fall of every single communist regime and Marxist based ideology....

[oldrider]

Do they?

Have they ever forced you to spend money?

It's possible to eschew from the Central banking cartel - problem is that those that do tend not to be very successful. Therein lies the nub of the issue - Money (as a concept) is successful because of the functionality that it provides, it's why we've moved on from those alternative systems.

Straight over your head - they (central banking) are parasitical by nature they profit from the endeavours of others.

I.E. The host benefits not from the parasites existence!

On the other hand - the parasite is totally dependent upon the host.

[Akzle]

but inbetween now and the rising sea is the evolutionary drive to provide the best possible advantage to your offspring to ensure that their DNA (over and above their competitors) is successfully passed on to the next generation.

which is why the wasteful, planet raping, profit making, air/water/soil polluting, forest/ocean bulldozering, wild animal/fish stocks raping system "works"... right?
...where some people give the species 10 years, but even the most optimistic give it 1000, until we make ourselves extinct.

yup. real fucking good idea to pawn that off on the next generation ſ*

Which would all be the bottom tier of the Pyramid - but what about hobbies? Most men have something that they do purely for the element of skill and satisfaction/reward of a successful completion (which would be the top of the Pyramid)

unless your hobbies include "filling NZ lanfills with chinese plastic, packaging, and useless consumer goods with an expected span of (warranty period+1)" or "fucking the oceans" or "filling the water supply with your own fæces", then no. your argment ſails.
while ANYthing you do will have AN impact, i feel some kind of compunction to minimise it, for the children, like.

Whilst I don't fully agree with Oceans' concept - Money does provide an objective measure that is nearly universally understood and easily comparable. If you compare 2 workers and ask which one is better - the one that picks $30 worth of Cotton an hour is more valuable than the one that picks $10 worth of Cotton an hour.

except that's an outmoded model.
to whom is the worth of the cotton? and to whom the profit? and, extending your horseshittery, is the worth of an old white cunt with 40 years of service to the company (who picks cotton slow cos he's old and white) worth less or more than the young uppity nigger, who can pick fast?
and the fuck is the point of knitting 1 billion pairs of hipster jeans each season, just for fashion?

and, further, HOW THE FUCK does the apportion of CEOs', lawyers', politicians' and judges' remuneration reflect anything other than how well they rape?

it is your belief that a lawyer is "worth more to society" than a doctor??

Where myself and Ocean diverge is that the other worker may contribute to the business (Old White folk Jew Cotton pickers inc.) in other ways that are hard to put a dollar value to (such as innovation morale etc.) and so using it as the sole metric is not giving a full or accurate picture.

well if you can't measure it with jewgold it must be worthless

This is where Myself and evolutionary biology disagree with you

except it doesn't exist.

- but I CBF going over this argument again - because it always ends in 'I'm not like that, therefore everyone isn't like that' - despite the growing wealth of information from this field of study.

when, ever, just once, have i ever, ever, said that anyone, but particularly everyone, is at all, in any way, liek me?

ſ

In short - it is not they are conditioned, its that those who you pro-port to be at the top of the 'system' have effectively found ways to utilize evolutionary drivers.

And I'm cool with that.

and we've fairly well established: ſ.

There is, problem is that we as the consumer don't want to pay for it. If you have 2 fridges, one will last 10 years, costs $500, the other will last 40 years (a 'lifetime') and cost $2,000 (so 4 times the price for 4 times the lifespan) - the average consumer will factor in the immediate cost, the lifespan vs functionality and the knowledge that as technology progresses things become obsolete. Thus they will choose the $500 fridge.

i'm sure you feel very clever coming up with analogies like that, but it doesn't help your argument. and since i propose "shit going on" in the absence of jewgold, it's a bit moot my answering in ſrame of reference.

a) would you accept that everyone needs, and ergo should have: food, water, shelter?

b) what the point in manufacturing 500$ fridges, if not for profiteering off the stupid?
surely dear leader should be all liek "no, bitches. dem peeple need a fridge, and we don't need no stinkin fluro carbons, so make your shit better" if the RESOURCES WEREN'T WASTED MANUFACTURING SHIT, there'd be less shit, and more resources, innit?


*ſ = "your a fuckwit"

[TheDemonLord]

Straight over your head - they (central banking) are parasitical by nature they profit from the endeavours of others.

I.E. The host benefits not from the parasites existence!

On the other hand - the parasite is totally dependent upon the host.

That's one way of looking at it,

Another would be that they are providing a service and are charging accordingly for it.

But we both know you don't like it when people provide services and charge for them, so that does somewhat explain your view.

[TheDemonLord]

somethingsomething *doesn't exist* something.
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Called it....

[Akzle]

That's one way of looking at it,

Another would be that they are providing a service and are charging accordingly for it.

But we both know you don't like it when people provide services and charge for them, so that does somewhat explain your view.

lmfao

...yeah if you consider buying your own, your nation's, your society's and your children's slavery to be a service.

fokken idjut.

[TheDemonLord]

lmfao

...yeah if you consider buying your own, your nation's, your society's and your children's slavery to be a service.

fokken idjut.

Suffice to say I disagree.